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Post by gato on Jan 28, 2024 7:46:33 GMT -5
Art noun 1. The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
At New York’s Museum of Modern Art (MoMA), the work Imponderabilia, which was first staged in 1977, was restaged in a retrospective of Abramović’s work at London’s Royal Academy of Arts last year. It consists of two naked performers standing face to face in a doorway, 18 inches apart, for more than an hour at a time, while members of the public squeeze between them as they move through the gallery. i.postimg.cc/WbHD1Kfm/aimp.jpg
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Post by rickyguitar on Jan 28, 2024 10:22:57 GMT -5
I get your point. I do believe in artistic freedom and feel the very nature if artistic expression must include the extreme and often ludicrous. I am not sure where you draw the line, or if you can. That said I do not feel a crucifix in a jar of urine is an artistic expression of the human condition. Human statues...yeah I dunno.
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Post by Leftee on Jan 28, 2024 10:34:50 GMT -5
They made us wear clothes in art class.
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Post by gato on Jan 28, 2024 11:15:46 GMT -5
They made us wear clothes in art class. "They made us wear clothes in art class", but then came PE and naked volleyball.
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Post by tahitijack on Jan 28, 2024 13:29:32 GMT -5
Why is it always New York? I remember they also thought a nude woman sitting on a chair with chocolate syrup being poured over her was ahhht. To me it was a wast of chocolate.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Jan 28, 2024 13:34:44 GMT -5
Wonder what it might take to find yourself charged with sexual assault while entering.
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Post by rickyguitar on Jan 28, 2024 14:10:06 GMT -5
Wonder what it might take to find yourself charged with sexual assault while entering. I think the guy was groped repeatedly. Pretty darn sleazy.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jan 28, 2024 14:30:56 GMT -5
I work with a guy that has an expression (I don't know if he came up with it or heard it somewhere): "paragraph art". The idea is that you make art and you need a poster next to it with a paragraph to explain why it is deep/profound/interesting.
Similarly, Akira Kurosawa had a great line he'd often use: in the peak of his career, a reporter would ask him "Mr. Kurosawa, what are you trying to say with your new movie?" to which he'd respond, "if I could tell you that easily, I wouldn't have made the movie!"
Weird art like this doesn't pass either test.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 28, 2024 14:45:44 GMT -5
Contains a trio of naughty words
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 28, 2024 17:27:44 GMT -5
They made us wear clothes in art class. "They made us wear clothes in art class", but then came PE and naked volleyball. Was gonna say, I didn’t do that in art class but there were some parties…
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 28, 2024 17:28:25 GMT -5
Wonder what it might take to find yourself charged with sexual assault while entering. Today, it would be looking in the wrong place for too long (too long being “at all”).
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 29, 2024 5:14:58 GMT -5
Wonder what it might take to find yourself charged with sexual assault while entering. I'm more thinking of the worse extreme - since you have 'permission' to 'enter' between them....umm..yea.
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Post by gato on Jan 29, 2024 5:59:20 GMT -5
According to the article, the guy "model" in this case sued (the gallery?) because he got groped repeatedly. By guys.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Jan 29, 2024 11:06:32 GMT -5
I will always struggle with any art that is something that doesn't take skill to create. Someone who splashes paint on a giant canvas on the wall or floor, a work that is just a bunch of multi-color geometric shapes, something that is just a bunch of paint smudged with the "artists" rear end, etc.
Having two people stand naked in a doorway falls into this category.
I know my definition is pretty narrow, but it should be something beyond what any ordinary person could do in a few minutes with no special skills.
Further, for me to appreciate it, it needs to be aesthetically pleasing. There's enough ugliness in the world today. The artist may be making some really deep statement about whatever, but if I can't look at it and feel like I want to keep looking at it because it's pleasing to my eye...it's a hard pass.
I don't need somebody forcing their world view on me with a toilet in the middle of the room filled with blood and a fishing rod sticking up out of it regardless of how profound he/she/they think the message is.
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Post by gato on Jan 29, 2024 11:46:07 GMT -5
I will always struggle with any art that is something that doesn't take skill to create. Someone who splashes paint on a giant canvas on the wall or floor, a work that is just a bunch of multi-color geometric shapes, something that is just a bunch of paint smudged with the "artists" rear end, etc. Having two people stand naked in a doorway falls into this category. I know my definition is pretty narrow, but it should be something beyond what any ordinary person could do in a few minutes with no special skills. Further, for me to appreciate it, it needs to be aesthetically pleasing. There's enough ugliness in the world today. The artist may be making some really deep statement about whatever, but if I can't look at it and feel like I want to keep looking at it because it's pleasing to my eye...it's a hard pass. I don't need somebody forcing their world view on me with a toilet in the middle of the room filled with blood and a fishing rod sticking up out of it regardless of how profound he/she/they think the message is. The "artist" jumps out of a plane at 2,000 feet, with cans of paint strapped to his body, and hits solid concrete. The colorful stain he leaves we later learn, is called SPLAT, and is the artist's ode to Sir Issac Newton.
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 29, 2024 12:55:44 GMT -5
That said I do not feel a crucifix in a jar of urine is an artistic expression of the human condition. Let me know and when that changes. When that happens, I'm gonna ask for my urine sample cup back after my annual checkup so I can take if to a gallery. Who know: mebbe I'll turn out to be the next Peecasso...
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 30, 2024 5:55:58 GMT -5
That said I do not feel a crucifix in a jar of urine is an artistic expression of the human condition. Let me know and when that changes. When that happens, I'm gonna ask for my urine sample cup back after my annual checkup so I can take if to a gallery. Who know: mebbe I'll turn out to be the next Peecasso... Ask for your stool sample back too, you can be the next William Shat-ner
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Post by 009 on Jan 30, 2024 6:07:21 GMT -5
Since there is not enough distance between the art pair, the art “viewer” must turn his/her body somewhat sideways to fit through the narrow space. This also reveals something about each of those people: Do they turn towards the man or the woman as they squeeze through?
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Jan 30, 2024 8:37:24 GMT -5
Since there is not enough distance between the art pair, the art “viewer” must turn his/her body somewhat sideways to fit through the narrow space. This also reveals something about each of those people: Do they turn towards the man or the woman as they squeeze through? I would seek out another route.... edit: actually, I'd probably leave.
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Post by gato on Jan 30, 2024 8:45:06 GMT -5
Since there is not enough distance between the art pair, the art “viewer” must turn his/her body somewhat sideways to fit through the narrow space. This also reveals something about each of those people: Do they turn towards the man or the woman as they squeeze through? I would seek out another route.... edit: actually, I'd probably leave. I would've gone to France so I could hurl soup at da Vinci's Mona Lisa. people.com/mona-lisa-soup-thrown-protesters-louvre-paris-8551273
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Post by 009 on Jan 30, 2024 9:52:12 GMT -5
Since there is not enough distance between the art pair, the art “viewer” must turn his/her body somewhat sideways to fit through the narrow space. This also reveals something about each of those people: Do they turn towards the man or the woman as they squeeze through? I would seek out another route.... edit: actually, I'd probably leave. I believe that this is an example of audience participation art; without the audience the artistic intent could not be truly' or entirely fulfilled. Even a more basic observation would be to see what percentages of people in the room would actually become active participants (slipping in-between the subjects), or/vs. remain passive/non-engaging participants (not engaging). Confounding this argument and skewing the results would be the gropers who just was to get a "rise" from the guy, creating havoc. There have been several art exhibits that were meant to actively engage the audience. I have nothing against this display (but if I were an active participant, I would be facing the girl as I slipped by).
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 30, 2024 9:55:32 GMT -5
I recall John Lennon stating something like "the objective of Art is to irritate" yada yada. Sounds like he was talking about Yoko's "art".
No thanks. Not the kind of art I subscribe to.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Jan 30, 2024 10:44:49 GMT -5
I recall John Lennon stating something like "the objective of Art is to irritate" yada yada. Sounds like he was talking about Yoko's "art". No thanks. Not the kind of art I subscribe to. That type of mentality leads to the type of "art" that I would take a hard pass on. There are people who think art should point out what's wrong with the world. It should make a statement. That's fine...it's certainly their prerogative. I don't like people who complain all the time and I don't like people shoving their politics/religion/etc down my throat. That goes for movies, music, visual art, whatever. Life is full of pain, ugliness, problems, etc. I'm well aware of that stuff...don't need it in my art. I want art that highlights the beauty, happiness, etc in life. Accentuate the positive, don't dwell on the negative. That doesn't mean put our heads in the sand and ignore the problems in the world...we should all be working to make the world a better place. But surrounding yourself with constant reminders of that stuff isn't necessary and the negativity is not healthy and is counter-productive. JMHO.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 30, 2024 11:50:42 GMT -5
I took the Lennon analogy to be something along the lines of sand irritating the oyster to create a pearl. I can accept the idea of personal pain inspiring a work of art, whether music, film, or paintings. The end result doesn't always have to be feel-good. But if there is nothing to inspire insight or empathy then we're left with nothing but that irritating piece of sand.
Charlatans and parasites operate in any and every sphere of our world where there's money to be made. I'll stick to what I like and have no need to have "art" explained to me and why I should like it.
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Post by gato on Jan 30, 2024 11:58:34 GMT -5
Audience participation art: tried that when I was younger. As I recall, it involved a loud juke box, "art" moving around onstage, and the participants stuffing dollar bills into G strings.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Jan 30, 2024 12:35:39 GMT -5
I took the Lennon analogy to be something along the lines of sand irritating the oyster to create a pearl. I can accept the idea of personal pain inspiring a work of art, whether music, film, or paintings. The end result doesn't always have to be feel-good. But if there is nothing to inspire insight or empathy then we're left with nothing but that irritating piece of sand. Charlatans and parasites operate in any and every sphere of our world where there's money to be made. I'll stick to what I like and have no need to have "art" explained to me and why I should like it. My perspective is that I'm not gonna pay someone to listen/watch/read them whining about what they don't like. I have no issue if others are OK with that, i have no issues with people producing that type of art. I'm just not interested in experiencing it. Music can be a little different for me in that I can listen to music and be mostly oblivious to the lyrics. I frequently can't understand what they are saying and, for me, it's more about the music than the words as a general rule. It's no coincidence that many of my favorite pieces are instrumentals (Riviera Paradise and Lenny by SRV and La Villa Strangiato and YYZ by Rush are a few examples).
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Post by Leftee on Jan 30, 2024 12:37:41 GMT -5
My perspective is that I'm not gonna pay someone to listen/watch/read them whining about what they don't like. I have no issue if others are OK with that, i have no issues with people producing that type of art. I'm just not interested in experiencing it. I'm with you! I don't need a negativity-bath.
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Post by professor on Feb 6, 2024 9:53:11 GMT -5
1. Where's the fire marshal? 2. Would as many people want to pass between if the figures were morbidly obese? Elderly? I assume the situation has been criticized as being ageist and biased against less than perfect bodies.
Performance pieces, in spite of whatever the artist claims, are classic PR stunts to drive attendance and buzz.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 6, 2024 9:58:44 GMT -5
Man, if I was there I'd splash some paint on them in protest then superglue myself to their bits and pieces.
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Post by rickyguitar on Feb 6, 2024 10:21:03 GMT -5
Hmmmm....what if an obese individual wanted in? He or she might be all over him or her...or....dare I say...them?
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