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Post by Tom(2) on Jan 3, 2020 5:22:51 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, I was a lurker over at FDP for a couple years. Tried to go in this morning when I noticed the new page was opened. Does this mean all of the old forum threads are no longer accessible? Not to say that I wouldn't like to start contributing here, but just wondering. Thanks, Rayf I wrote a script that submitted most of the publically available pages and posts to Wayback Machine / web.archive.org around the 27th of December. So there should be many of the posts preserved. I'd hated to see the online wisdom and knowledge of 20+ years going to the bin, so there's a big shout out for the work archive.org are doing for years now…
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 3, 2020 12:03:21 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, I was a lurker over at FDP for a couple years. Tried to go in this morning when I noticed the new page was opened. Does this mean all of the old forum threads are no longer accessible? Not to say that I wouldn't like to start contributing here, but just wondering. Thanks, Rayf I wrote a script that submitted most of the publically available pages and posts to Wayback Machine / web.archive.org around the 27th of December. So there should be many of the posts preserved. I'd hated to see the online wisdom and knowledge of 20+ years going to the bin, so there's a big shout out for the work archive.org are doing for years now… Tom, that is excellent. I know nothing about how that works but if there's a way to get the old site visible and searchable through that Wayback Machine, I would suggest we get a big fat link to it here at MT2. Probably deserves its own thread.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 3, 2020 12:14:49 GMT -5
I wrote a script that submitted most of the publically available pages and posts to Wayback Machine / web.archive.org around the 27th of December. So there should be many of the posts preserved. I'd hated to see the online wisdom and knowledge of 20+ years going to the bin, so there's a big shout out for the work archive.org are doing for years now… Tom, that is excellent. I know nothing about how that works but if there's a way to get the old site visible and searchable through that Wayback Machine, I would suggest we get a big fat link to it here at MT2. Probably deserves its own thread. Not even that, I would give it its own separate section.
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Post by Tom(2) on Jan 3, 2020 12:27:42 GMT -5
I wrote a script that submitted most of the publically available pages and posts to Wayback Machine / web.archive.org around the 27th of December. So there should be many of the posts preserved. I'd hated to see the online wisdom and knowledge of 20+ years going to the bin, so there's a big shout out for the work archive.org are doing for years now… Tom, that is excellent. I know nothing about how that works but if there's a way to get the old site visible and searchable through that Wayback Machine, I would suggest we get a big fat link to it here at MT2. Probably deserves its own thread. Chris, the "searchable" part is where it gets complicated. From what I understand, the wayback machine is able to mirror the "static" part of a site at a given time, including links and assets. It even works with the linked stuff in the mirrored page, as long as it had crawled and archived the linked pages, too. But it will never grab and rebuild stuff that is server-side only, like the FDP search logic. The forms etc will be there, but the search-action, which resided on the FDP server, will be gone, so no searching is possible. I was reluctant to contact you in the heat of the last days, but planned to do in January - maybe I have an idea how to provide a read-only archive of the FDP, but I need to check some more before raising false hopes :-) If it is ok with you, I would contact you via direct message here, when it gets more concrete? And, again: Thank you for all your work. The FDP was one of my earliest contact with that online "community" stuff, around 1998/99
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 3, 2020 12:36:40 GMT -5
Tom, that is excellent. I know nothing about how that works but if there's a way to get the old site visible and searchable through that Wayback Machine, I would suggest we get a big fat link to it here at MT2. Probably deserves its own thread. Chris, the "searchable" part is where it gets complicated. From what I understand, the wayback machine is able to mirror the "static" part of a site at a given time, including links and assets. It even works with the linked stuff in the mirrored page, as long as it had crawled and archived the linked pages, too. But it will never grab and rebuild stuff that is server-side only, like the FDP search logic. The forms etc will be there, but the search-action, which resided on the FDP server, will be gone, so no searching is possible. I was reluctant to contact you in the heat of the last days, but planned to do in January - maybe I have an idea how to provide a read-only archive of the FDP, but I need to check some more before raising false hopes :-) If it is ok with you, I would contact you via direct message here, when it gets more concrete? And, again: Thank you for all your work. The FDP was one of my earliest contact with that online "community" stuff, around 1998/99
Have at it, my friend. I will, in the near future be receiving the FDP server's hard drive but mostly because I think I should keep a hold of it. Not to mention all the personal info on it. I would love to have a searchable but static archive. I wonder with the scenario you're suggesting if Google search could work on a static archive? There is 22 years of guitar history (and an equal amount of nonsense) that was on the FDP and it's a shame to have it no longer available as a wiki of sorts.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 3, 2020 12:42:29 GMT -5
Chris, the "searchable" part is where it gets complicated. From what I understand, the wayback machine is able to mirror the "static" part of a site at a given time, including links and assets. It even works with the linked stuff in the mirrored page, as long as it had crawled and archived the linked pages, too. But it will never grab and rebuild stuff that is server-side only, like the FDP search logic. The forms etc will be there, but the search-action, which resided on the FDP server, will be gone, so no searching is possible. I was reluctant to contact you in the heat of the last days, but planned to do in January - maybe I have an idea how to provide a read-only archive of the FDP, but I need to check some more before raising false hopes :-) If it is ok with you, I would contact you via direct message here, when it gets more concrete? And, again: Thank you for all your work. The FDP was one of my earliest contact with that online "community" stuff, around 1998/99
Have at it, my friend. I will, in the near future be receiving the FDP server's hard drive but mostly because I think I should keep a hold of it. Not to mention all the personal info on it. I would love to have a searchable but static archive. I wonder with the scenario you're suggesting if Google search could work on a static archive? There is 22 years of guitar history (and an equal amount of nonsense) that was on the FDP and it's a shame to have it no longer available as a wiki of sorts. Obviously this is a topic I know nothing about, but should you (or Tom) figure out a way to have it set up somewhere, I am happy to facilitate it. My theory would be to put a separate section, have Chris post one thread saying whatever he wants to say about it and include the link, then lock it. That way, everyone can look at it whenever. Anyone who wants to comment on it can do so in Moe's (subject to the House Riles obviously), and we don't have to clutter up that thread or section with additional stuff.
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Post by Tom(2) on Jan 3, 2020 12:46:05 GMT -5
There is 22 years of guitar history (and an equal amount of nonsense) that was on the FDP and it's a shame to have it no longer available as a wiki of sorts. Amen! I'm so happy you say this - this is exactly what motivated me to jump in and do what I can, from the "outside" at first, utilizing the archive.org "save" function. That was my "safety net" plan, should the FDP vanish completely. Now, with MT2 and all the energy you bring in here, too, I am confident we'll get a working solution one way or the other. cowabunga!
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 3, 2020 12:48:42 GMT -5
I'd like to take these last few posts and put them into a separate thread directly regarding the possibility of preserving the FDp Archives and making them available. Any objection to my doing so Chris? FDP Archives are yours, so I am asking first.
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 3, 2020 12:50:54 GMT -5
I'd like to take these last few posts and put them into a separate thread directly regarding the possibility of preserving the FDp Archives and making them available. Any objection to my doing so Chris? FDP Archives are yours, so I am asking first. Have at it. If this is something that actually can happen, perhaps I can use the fenderforum.com domain to link to it. I would want to get it out on the search engines as well as here.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 3, 2020 13:03:43 GMT -5
The topic of whether the FDP Archives can somehow be posted online and/or linked here in some manner has been brought up in another thread. I am moving those posts here and discussion on that topic can continue here.
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 3, 2020 13:30:18 GMT -5
I made this a sticky but if it's not considered suitable as such, Mike can veto me. (now, *that's* hard to get used to!).
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Jan 3, 2020 13:35:57 GMT -5
This sounds good -- but we still need to see Rev's last post. ;^o
(I refuse to use real emojis).
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Post by Tom(2) on Jan 3, 2020 13:39:08 GMT -5
Hahah :-) Ok, as a first, but hopefully not final, solution, here is the link to the archived pages at archive.org Fender Discussion Pages web.archive.org/web/20191231185233/http://www.fenderforum.com/forum.htmlFrom there, the (old) forums and threats should be browsable, for example ye olde Moe:
The neat thing with archive.org is that the links will try to find the archived version, as well, and only if there is no archived one, will try to find the live version, so aside from posting and searching this *should* work like a readable archive, for now.
Having a dedicated searchable read-only archive, possibly at the old fenderforum.com domain, would be great, and I'll come back to this, as soon as possible. :-)
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Post by walshb 🦒 on Jan 3, 2020 13:41:05 GMT -5
I actually found an article in wiki archives that refers to the Fender Forum as "just a bunch of old farts with too much time and money"! So, I guess it's finally verified.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 3, 2020 14:03:28 GMT -5
I made this a sticky but if it's not considered suitable as such, Mike can veto me. (now, *that's* hard to get used to!). Your action is hereby ratified lol.
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Post by BobbyMac on Jan 3, 2020 14:33:37 GMT -5
I am so glad to see the FDP seemingly saved for posterity. Thanks to Tom(2) for the "exhumation."
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 3, 2020 14:43:32 GMT -5
Chris, I added a separate section entitled "The FDP Archive", where the link to the old site can be placed. I'd ike you to be the one that places it there, if you wouldn't mind. Just a single post, maybe make some sort of statement about it, and then add the link.
If we get a better link or better archive of it somehow, the link could always be changed.
That board will be for reference only, no other posts or replies.
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Post by Tom(2) on Jan 3, 2020 14:59:08 GMT -5
While I feel honored, I need to say this: archive.org had archived and indexed several snapshots of the fenderforum.com site in the past; and I think several other visitors may have submitted pages to that archive … there is a sudden rise of snapshots in December 2019, already before I started to submit on the 27th… so, as is archive.org, this is a community-effort :-)
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 3, 2020 15:01:43 GMT -5
One thing I couldn't do on the subforum Mike created was get this link to lead directly to the archive. It looped me back to the thread I posted in that subforum:
It links back here! Highlight the link and you'll see it's not the link I copied from Tom's post
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 3, 2020 15:24:45 GMT -5
The link is taking me to the archive...
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 3, 2020 15:26:33 GMT -5
I just clicked on the hyper link I posted and it takes me right back to this thread.
And now, dropping the actual link doesn't hyperlink at all. Weird.
Update: added https:// at the beginning and all is good on the link above.
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Post by De ville on Jan 3, 2020 15:28:47 GMT -5
Way cool! 7/8ths of my painting thread is there with the paintings despite me having cleared out all my photos out of my profile.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 3, 2020 15:44:04 GMT -5
Behold Tha POWA of groupthink! When it works like this ^^^ it is a beautiful thing!
Gentlemen. Thank you.
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Post by bluzcat on Jan 3, 2020 16:56:39 GMT -5
Wow!! Great to see the old site available to go through. As we got to the last few days I was digging through the Chop Shop and realized how much I missed through the years.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 3, 2020 16:57:11 GMT -5
Still working for me, and De ville as well, apparently. Not sure why not for you, Chris.
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Post by Tom(2) on Jan 3, 2020 17:24:38 GMT -5
I just clicked on the hyper link I posted and it takes me right back to this thread. web.archive.org/web/20191231185233/http://www.fenderforum.com/forum.html
And now, dropping the actual link doesn't hyperlink at all. Weird.
Edit: ah, now I see that the forum displays both links the same, but in fact hides the "http://" on the second one. tricky.
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Post by jonnyblooz on Jan 3, 2020 17:27:02 GMT -5
Still working for me, and De ville as well, apparently. Not sure why not for you, Chris. I dumped a girl once. Later tried to call her, she wouldn’t speak to me ever again. See where I’m going with this?
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 3, 2020 17:46:31 GMT -5
I just clicked on the hyper link I posted and it takes me right back to this thread. web.archive.org/web/20191231185233/http://www.fenderforum.com/forum.html
And now, dropping the actual link doesn't hyperlink at all. Weird.
Edit: ah, now I see that the forum displays both links the same, but in fact hides the "http://" on the second one. tricky.
I think I get it now. I corrected my original post thanks to this one and it works fine. Thanks!
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Post by LM on Jan 3, 2020 18:26:55 GMT -5
Way cool!
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Post by Tom(2) on Jan 3, 2020 18:54:23 GMT -5
I dumped a girl once. Later tried to call her, she wouldn’t speak to me ever again. See where I’m going with this? That made me chuckle more than I should…
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