Southern Man
Quarternote
Formerly "SecondHoneymoon" on the FDP
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Post by Southern Man on Jan 4, 2020 12:17:36 GMT -5
Nice to see so many FDP's over here. I wonder though, is the name "Moe's" possibly confusing to some folks, and will people seeking out guitar forums fail to be directed here by say a google search?
The FDP was clearly identified with Fender guitars, although obviously the range of topics ventured further than that.
I'm not being critical! Just want this forum to carry on and be as great as Chris'.
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Post by LM on Jan 4, 2020 13:04:41 GMT -5
SM, this topic is being discussed in another thread but I can't recall which one. lol!
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 4, 2020 13:12:52 GMT -5
My thought on this place was simply to provide a new hang for FDPers when I retired. We left a sign up at fenderforum.com to point the way. That sign will stay up until at least the 23rd of January but then my annual renewal is due. Depending how things go with MT2 over the next couple weeks, I'll see if they can host just a simple sign for awhile longer for a token fee which I'll cover.
If you want the culture of MT2 to stay similar to the FDP, new members can be problematic for the culture of an established place. While Mike is the boss here and I am a volunteer mod, it will be up to him to set the tone. Based on the posted site rules here, he wants to keep this site close to the family friendly nature of the FDP. Point being, for all intents and purposes, this is where the old FDP moved under a new name and a new boss. I hope more of the old gang find it but attracting new members may be challenging.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 4, 2020 13:16:08 GMT -5
As Chris said, there was zero consideration given to attracting new members. This site isn’t a business, so more traffic doesn’t really mean we’re more successful. It was intended just to give the FDP members a replacement venue.
That said, it’s something I’m going to investigate in the near future.
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Post by Lefty Rev on Jan 4, 2020 13:18:02 GMT -5
Any new folks will, hopefully, "get" the culture here, or they'll pass...
I used to visit - for a very brief time - another ProBoards forum that was started by some guitar/gear related folks. On THAT board, ANYTHING goes: politics, religion, you-name-it. And it got downright rancorous. I don't visit there anymore.
So there are other places for folks who can't abide by the culture/"rules" here. It's not for everyone. I'm good with that.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 4, 2020 13:26:50 GMT -5
Any new folks will, hopefully, "get" the culture here, or they'll pass... I used to visit - for a very brief time - another ProBoards forum that was started by some guitar/gear related folks. On THAT board, ANYTHING goes: politics, religion, you-name-it. And it got downright rancorous. I don't visit there anymore. So there are other places for folks who can't abide by the culture/"rules" here. It's not for everyone. I'm good with that. Exactly right.
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Post by Stratluvr on Jan 4, 2020 16:32:39 GMT -5
Believe it or not, Facebook is a great way to spread the word among guitar loving friends who are mature enough to keep the all new Moe's just as classy as the FDP was.
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Post by budg on Jan 4, 2020 17:33:28 GMT -5
I too think new people will” get” the culture here and either stick around or move on. Remember we were all “ new” at one point on FDP and conformed to the culture there , so much so that we carried on here when we could have just gone our separate ways.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 4, 2020 17:38:41 GMT -5
I have zero objection to new members or people from Facebook joining us. But they’ll need to behave the same way everyone else is expected to.
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Post by LM on Jan 4, 2020 17:42:05 GMT -5
I have zero objection to new members or people from Facebook joining us. But they’ll need to behave the same way everyone else is expected to.
Do you mean take afternoon naps, scratch ourselves in public, and yell at kids to get off our lawns? That's a tall order for strangers.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 4, 2020 18:31:15 GMT -5
They’ll get it right, in time.
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Post by Joe Potts on Jan 6, 2020 17:12:18 GMT -5
Picking up on one point in the original post: the FDP’s identification as a Fender-lovers site.
I understand about this forum being primarily a landing site for members of the old FDP. I guess I’m wondering if there would be an advantage in somehow identifying again with Fender.
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 6, 2020 17:18:36 GMT -5
Mike can't use our old name as it's copyrighted. There are a number of other forums out there with Fender in their name already including Fender's own. The guys that opened the gear page were smart to keep it more generic IMO.
But this site was established so I didn't have to just close the doors leaving members adrift or have the responsibility of running a site anymore.
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Post by LM on Jan 6, 2020 17:26:17 GMT -5
IMHO, we're not primarily Fender fans anymore. We cover a variety of instruments and manufacturers.
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 6, 2020 17:36:28 GMT -5
Geez, yeah, there's a thread in the Guitar forum about giving up on Fender guitars and moving to Gibsons and other brands.
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Post by Joe Potts on Jan 6, 2020 17:45:52 GMT -5
All good points, guys.
If we want to attract new members - and I understand that hasn’t been established - the site’s name, as has been pointed out, won’t help much.
Just a thought - Moe’s Guitar Tavern.
Or Moe’s Tavern 2.0 - Guitar Talk.
Or some such thing.
That’s all I got.
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 6, 2020 17:48:00 GMT -5
It's up to the boss who I ain't. But I sorta like Moe's Guitar Tavern.
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Post by LM on Jan 6, 2020 17:55:21 GMT -5
Guitars & Guzzlers?
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 6, 2020 18:38:28 GMT -5
Mike can't use our old name as it's copyrighted. There are a number of other forums out there with Fender in their name already including Fender's own. The guys that opened the gear page were smart to keep it more generic IMO. But this site was established so I didn't have to just close the doors leaving members adrift or have the responsibility of running a site anymore. Well I bet I COULD if I wanted to write a check. But I don’t.
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Post by LTB on Jan 9, 2020 1:10:35 GMT -5
It's up to the boss who I ain't. But I sorta like Moe's Guitar Tavern. Great idea. I was thinking today “How would anyone know it is a music forum and not a local pub” 😊
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Post by LTB on Jan 9, 2020 1:11:06 GMT -5
It's up to the boss who I ain't. But I sorta like Moe's Guitar Tavern. Great idea. I was thinking today “How would anyone know it is a music forum and not a local pub” 😊 However, if keeping the previous FDP members as the primary focus, leave it as is
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 9, 2020 8:52:38 GMT -5
Its something that I am going to consider down the road. Not sure how far down the road. My only intention in creating this site was to give the FDP crowd a place to continue. I never really thought about attracting new members and I really assumed those who came over would just be those from the FDP. We've had some former members come back, some lurkers come out from the shadows, and as far as I know, one brand new member.
I think at the one month mark, I am going to probably do some polling to find out which group everyone falls into. Not for any good reason, just mostly because I'm curious.
Right now, the board seems very busy, everyone for the most part is excited about posting. I am sure the shine will wear off at some point and that some new members will help.
No matter what happens. even if the general board name has to change, the Moe's name will stay on the individual board as a tribute to the original.
I'll resist the urge to add "and Giraffe Emporium" to whatever title we come up with.
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Post by LM on Jan 9, 2020 9:21:15 GMT -5
Having the original Moe's open to only contributing members was often the justification for keeping out the 'riff-raff'. I know many who stopped posting because of the required admission fee. Their thought was there were too many other free forums/blogs on the internet. Since the FDP was a business, it was a business decision but it did limit participation.
If our only goal here is to maintain the FDP base, there will be eventually natural attrition. Making the site more welcoming to others could sustain participation, but it does make the mods' job more challenging.
Mike, as you stated, there's no need to rush to decisions and you have the luxury in its infancy of adopting a 'wait and see' approach.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 9, 2020 10:38:12 GMT -5
Having the original Moe's open to only contributing members was often the justification for keeping out the 'riff-raff'. I know many who stopped posting because of the required admission fee. Their thought was there were too many other free forums/blogs on the internet. Since the FDP was a business, it was a business decision but it did limit participation. If our only goal here is to maintain the FDP base, there will be eventually natural attrition. Making the site more welcoming to others could sustain participation, but it does make the mods' job more challenging. Mike, as you stated, there's no need to rush to decisions and you have the luxury in its infancy of adopting a 'wait and see' approach. I certainly have the ability to limit posting in Moe's to people who contribute, but as I did not and do not plan to run this place like its anything more than a hobby, I am not going to do that. We'll have to keep the riff-raff out manually. One of the most fun jobs I ever had was as a bouncer at a bar on the Jersey Shore the summer when I was 16. I have no problem doing the virtual version of that job here in Moe's 28 years later lol. As we do NOT have that limitation in MT2, I think we'll have more participation and thus, I question whether we really need new members. Then I look at my man Sérgio, who is a new member and jumped right in with both feet like he's been here all along. So for now, I am going forward with an open mind, but knowing that there's no rush to do anything. This is especially true since we are on a free site, its not a business, it doesn't need to be profitable, and we have no advertisers other than the ones ProBoards places here. Honestly, if there were 20 good guys that posted frequently, I would still think this site was worth it. We've got much more than that and I am quite happy to see it. We're still getting a few signups every day, too.
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Post by LM on Jan 9, 2020 11:50:14 GMT -5
FTR, I wasn't advocating a paid Moe's as it limits participation.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 9, 2020 11:51:15 GMT -5
FTR, I wasn't advocating a paid Moe's as it limits participation. I understood. My post may not have reflected that lol.
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Post by Sérgio on Jan 9, 2020 12:55:40 GMT -5
Having the original Moe's open to only contributing members was often the justification for keeping out the 'riff-raff'. I know many who stopped posting because of the required admission fee. Their thought was there were too many other free forums/blogs on the internet. Since the FDP was a business, it was a business decision but it did limit participation. If our only goal here is to maintain the FDP base, there will be eventually natural attrition. Making the site more welcoming to others could sustain participation, but it does make the mods' job more challenging. Mike, as you stated, there's no need to rush to decisions and you have the luxury in its infancy of adopting a 'wait and see' approach. I certainly have the ability to limit posting in Moe's to people who contribute, but as I did not and do not plan to run this place like its anything more than a hobby, I am not going to do that. We'll have to keep the riff-raff out manually. One of the most fun jobs I ever had was as a bouncer at a bar on the Jersey Shore the summer when I was 16. I have no problem doing the virtual version of that job here in Moe's 28 years later lol. As we do NOT have that limitation in MT2, I think we'll have more participation and thus, I question whether we really need new members. Then I look at my man Sérgio , who is a new member and jumped right in with both feet like he's been here all along. So for now, I am going forward with an open mind, but knowing that there's no rush to do anything. This is especially true since we are on a free site, its not a business, it doesn't need to be profitable, and we have no advertisers other than the ones ProBoards places here. Honestly, if there were 20 good guys that posted frequently, I would still think this site was worth it. We've got much more than that and I am quite happy to see it. We're still getting a few signups every day, too.
And I'm thankful for the warm welcome I received.
I like forums that feel like home and have an "old" atmosphere, and this one fits me like a glove, reminding me pleasantly of the forums I visited back in the 90s, like the Guns & Ammo and the Chief's Teepee. Good times.
Anyway, as far as I recall I never was a member at the FDP. I got some pals here from Thefenderforum.com, but just one or two. The rest of you I'm still getting acquainted with, but I must say this is my kind of place and I plan to stick around. I also dislike crowded forums where no one knows each other, there are too many trolls or keyboard warriors.
That said, I hope you guys achieve a balance between attracting new blood and keeping the old bunch together. I've made GOOD friends, and I mean REAL friends at Thefenderforum.com. I've exchanged gear with other members, I chat with them from time to time via cell phone, I mean forums can be a real NICE thing, if we do it right.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 9, 2020 12:59:29 GMT -5
And we're glad to have you. That's why I don't want to say "we're only here for the FDP members". Plenty of good folks still yet to be found, I am sure.
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 9, 2020 15:28:41 GMT -5
Since this site opened on January 2nd, it's gotten 430 new members. Mostly, FDPers but some new faces as well. On a site like this, IMO, numbers aren't the key, active participation is. If MT2 topped out at 1000 active members, I think it would be about perfect. Some will send a little money to Mike from time to time for his troubles and time but he doesn't need to run it like I ran the FDP (as a business) so it doesn't need to have a big membership to attract sponsors and go through the trouble of accounting, tax returns, etc.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Jan 15, 2020 14:50:20 GMT -5
You could call it the Fedner Discussion Page.
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