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Post by thefarmcaster on Jan 4, 2020 22:57:08 GMT -5
I play a lot of solo and duo shows and have been using a QSC touch mix and QSC powered speakers. I would love to do away with as many cables as possible, as many places don't have a stage and sometimes the best place to put the main would be where there may be tables or a bathroom door between the mixer and speaker. Id like to run the monitor wireless as well. I have spent a significant portion of my life rolling up cables. lol. What is available to send a xlr out to a powered speaker xlr in?
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Post by dlxrev on Jan 5, 2020 15:51:11 GMT -5
You’ll need adapter cables but you can use a wireless mic/instrument system to do that. Line level out from the mixer into the belt pack and then out of the receiver into the line in on the powered speaker. The mixer is basically the “instrument”in this situation.
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Post by thefarmcaster on Jan 5, 2020 16:12:37 GMT -5
I've looked at wireless digital microphone systems, the units that just plug on the back of a regular mic. The out on my mixer is xlr and the in on my speaker is xlr as well. I'm concerned about the amount of gain the mixer will output causing distortion?
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Post by roly on Jan 6, 2020 11:12:42 GMT -5
Pretty sure most powered speakers are designed to see a line level input.
That's the case with the thirty or so powered boxes owned by one company I work for.
Some of his smaller powered boxes have a mic level in option as well.
When you hard wire your mixer to your speakers, is distortion an issue?
I would be more concerned about the signal into the transmitter you decide to use.
Not all transmitters are designed to accept line level signal.
If that's the case, an in line pad between the mixer and transmitter will deal with that issue.
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Post by Fat Tony on Jan 8, 2020 22:50:45 GMT -5
I have done a couple of gigs that spread over 2 or 3 blocks downtown...classic car show and some similar event I kind of forget....I think it was "Crazy Days" (glorified sidewalk sales on Main Street in the 3rd week of July.
Regardless....I used a couple of Shure wireless belt packs intended for guitars and the base receivers. I set up in the middle of the event with a pair of mains connected via XLR to the mains...I also send the signal to the speakers a half block away via the belt packs. I was able to acquire a 120VAC power source from the traffic light control boxes. (It helped that I was a retired cop and had friends...who have since also retired.) So, I was able to use the base receivers to feed signal to both speakers and all AC power was courtesy of the City. NO CABLES except at my mix location which was no problem since I had everything neat and free of trip hazards....and I gaff taped the AC power from a source about 15ft away.
Absolutely no problems. Now the car show was a little different because the organization wanted a handheld mic AND they wanted a speaker adjacent to the organization....and that required a cable along the curb and THAT was a trip hazard I did not appreciate....apparently one of the cables did not mate well with the adjacent cable and the speaker was "iffy"....so I would have done better with another wireless....but I did not own any more at that point. Now I have 6 or 8 just for rental gigs...but I got out of the "children's theater" gig and quickly sold off those 12 extra wireless mics that were used for the Children's Theater. That tied up some capital but it did not bring in any income since the Children's Theater annual gig was a freebie.
In all of those applications, I came out of a 1/4 out on the Left/Right main out and sent it via a belt pack wireless transmitter and set the base receiver adjacent to the powered JBL or powered Yamaha cabinets.
It works. Kind of a hassle, but it beats liability for cable across a walkway path at a non traditional venue where there is few methods to protect pedestrians from trip hazards.
Hope that helps.
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Post by Fat Tony on Jan 8, 2020 22:59:02 GMT -5
FYI Many of the new powered speaker cabinets have a combination input jack for both XLR and 1/4 Tip/Sleeve cables, so those would work nicely in farmcaster's application.
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Post by Juice N on Jan 12, 2020 9:57:23 GMT -5
It may “work” with the body packs, but it’s not what these systems are designed to do. I think you’re just asking for trouble personally.
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Post by thefarmcaster on Jan 12, 2020 21:24:47 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. I'm going to try the Xvive Audio U3 Microphone Wireless System. It looks like it has a line level setting and the reviews look good. I will post a review of how it goes. It's kind of expensive but I really like the idea of not having a cable from the mixer to the speaker, if it works well I will do the same with the monitor.
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Post by Fat Tony on Jan 13, 2020 0:11:35 GMT -5
Juice: I have used the Shure belt pack and base receiver for several years....but admittedly, probably not more than 4 or 5 times per year. It is easier to use XLR cable when possible. The wireless is just where there is a problem getting signal from the mix location to the speakers.
farmcaster: I was wondering if you have electrical power cable to your remote speakers. None of my speakers have internal batteries...so there is always a power cord. Granted, those can be fairly short and you can always evaluate where you place your speakers so that they are adjacent to wall outlets for electricity. I ended up buying a pair of budget speakers with an internal battery. While I may not require them for the next year, it is nice to have them available if needed for an event or a rental client. Sine you mentioned upper class gigs, I was thinking you are probably using a battery powered personal line array like the Bose or the new EVOLVE or the JBL EON ONE.
Regardless, there are multiple ways to resolve the issues. Everyone sharing their experiences helps others to make the same mistake or to make a new mistake...and sometimes those decisions are grandly successful. Honesly, the biggest two successes I had was hosting a couple of the old FDP Jams....and talking the Event Director to book Farmcaster to play the Stillwater Blues Fest around 10 years ago.
I especially appreciate jhawkr, the maestro, Uncle Wilbur and a few others showing up for the last jam here.
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Post by mroulier on Jan 13, 2020 9:22:45 GMT -5
I've had an Xvive guitar wireless for about 6 months. The only issue is the USB charging cable only works on one side now so I have a plug in the cable I use for my camera to get both receiver and transmitter fully charged.
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Post by thefarmcaster on Jan 18, 2020 11:15:20 GMT -5
Tony, the Stillwater shows were so fun. I can't thank you enough for arranging that. I have the poster from the 2nd one I played with Chris Duarte hanging in my studio right next to where I teach. I remember your band playing 'Outside Woman Blues'. So much fun!!!! Hope your doing well!
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Post by Fat Tony on Jan 18, 2020 12:44:17 GMT -5
I "think" that was Sept of 2008. Was that the one "indoors festival" due to hurricane that hit Galveston and Houston pretty hard? That was either the last festival or there may have been 1 more...
They tried to start a new series of blues festivals but it became a "music festival" and only has one band playing blues each year. I was able to get Watermelon Slim to headline the first "revised" festival. The current "festival" is a production of a different organization, not a City government event. Their board has a different vision. I think it will slowly rebuild...at least I hope it does.
Sadly, the group I am with currently only does 2 or 3 blues tunes. (sigh)
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Post by thefarmcaster on Jan 18, 2020 16:18:45 GMT -5
Yes, it was 2008 and we had to move into the community center. We drove down 35 to 77 and it poured all the way. Duarte was playing at Knuckleheads in KC the next night, and I had to play at The Kansas Speedway at 8am the next morning for a Bikers For Babies event. Some of the roads were flooded near Winfield so we took 44 back through Tulsa. I thought the Stillwater Blues Fest was great, the year I opened for Eric Sardinas was really well attended, and I suspect the fest with Duarte would have been similar had the deluge not happened. Whats the name of the all night diner with the really cheap breakfast? Shortcakes? That place was the bomb! Its good to hear from you Tony!!
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