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Post by archiestone on Jan 14, 2020 13:52:00 GMT -5
Both 22 watt, 1x12" speaker, reverb & vibrato. '68 is two amps in one: "Vintage" DRRI tone + "Custom" Bassman tone stack (mo' drive)
DRRI: $1099 @ Sweetwater. 68 Custom: $1049 @ Sweetwater.
I've had a DRRI for years, am intrigued by the '68... Played one very quickly. Sounded great but can't really compare.... Played both?
Preference?
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 14, 2020 13:55:53 GMT -5
I have a 1994 era DRRI. I have always found it a bit shrill.
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Post by larryguitar54 on Jan 14, 2020 18:04:38 GMT -5
I like my '65 DRRI that I bought circa '15 or so. I have some clips I'll find and post.
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Post by budg on Jan 14, 2020 18:14:12 GMT -5
I have a 65 drri that came with a p12q and swapped it out for a lil Texas . Love it . I haven’t tried the 68 , but do have a 68 Princeton Custom that is pretty cool.
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Post by pdf64 on Jan 15, 2020 9:08:36 GMT -5
I think the '68 has a mod to the power amp section for lower negative feedback, and probably a few other minor changes, so its tone and response will be a bit different to a regular DRRI, all else being equal.
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Post by archiestone on Jan 15, 2020 13:24:31 GMT -5
I have a 1994 era DRRI. I have always found it a bit shrill. On mine I tend to put bass around 8 and treble at 5-6 -- helps reduce the sharpness. A 'beam blocker' in front of the spkr (ultra-cheap mod) helps diffuse the highs too.
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Post by pcalu on Jan 16, 2020 6:19:05 GMT -5
IMO The Custom series wasn't well-received when the line came out, got critiqued pretty hard by traditionalists. Judging by the internet wave a few years after the rollout of people giving favorable reviews, it appears the Custom series is a decent modern amp line.
I think I could noodle with the Vibrolux or Twin and not have a problem
I've read critiques of a high level standing noise, having never owned one, I've always wondered is the just the reduced negative feedback of the tone stack?
I ignore the A Typical internet BS complaints "Amp pooped out on me for no apparent reason" (insert I bought multiples and had to return them all etc) or I expected a better quality amp it doesn't stack up to my other amp (i.e a HW Boutique etc.)
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Post by budg on Jan 16, 2020 15:07:07 GMT -5
IMO The Custom series wasn't well-received when the line came out, got critiqued pretty hard by traditionalists. Judging by the internet wave a few years after the rollout of people giving favorable reviews, it appears the Custom series is a decent modern amp line. I think I could noodle with the Vibrolux or Twin and not have a problem I've read critiques of a high level standing noise, having never owned one, I've always wondered is the just the reduced negative feedback of the tone stack? I ignore the A Typical internet BS complaints "Amp pooped out on me for no apparent reason" (insert I bought multiples and had to return them all etc) or I expected a better quality amp it doesn't stack up to my other amp (i.e a HW Boutique etc.) “I bought a 68 Princeton Custom 4 years ago for a nice grab n go amp. I actually like it . Totally different tone than my drri as it is warmer with nice mids. I retubed it with JJs and it really sounds great. Quiet as a mouse . The Custom series gives a different vibe than the reissue series . Build quality is just as good as the reissues.” |
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Post by pdf64 on Jan 16, 2020 18:20:25 GMT -5
...I've read critiques of a high level standing noise, having never owned one, I've always wondered is the just the reduced negative feedback of the tone stack? ... I think the raised noise floor is probably mainly due to the reduced degree of power amp negative feedback. But also I think that additional grid stoppers were fitted throughout the preamp, these will tend to add a little extra noise even if the negative feedback is reverted to vintage levels. |
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Post by SoK66 on Feb 1, 2020 19:21:03 GMT -5
...I've read critiques of a high level standing noise, having never owned one, I've always wondered is the just the reduced negative feedback of the tone stack? ... I think the raised noise floor is probably mainly due to the reduced degree of power amp negative feedback. But also I think that additional grid stoppers were fitted throughout the preamp, these will tend to add a little extra noise even if the negative feedback is reverted to vintage levels. Peter, I read that the added 10k grid stoppers on the preamp tubes were to PREVENT added noise. Can you elaborate? I'm still unclear wht Fender is adding these 10k grip resistors on the amps. I first noticed them on the '57 Bandmaster a few years ago. |
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Post by archiestone on Feb 1, 2020 21:23:15 GMT -5
Since initiating this discussion I've gotten very interested in the new Tone Master Deluxe...
Half the weight sounds very good to my aging back.
If anyone who knows their way around a DRRI and/or 68 Custom Dlx has tried one feel free to chime in.
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Post by McCreed on Feb 2, 2020 19:47:07 GMT -5
Hah! I was going to be a smart-bum and say wait for the '68 DR Tone Master to be released!  |
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Post by sirplayalot on Feb 3, 2020 10:41:54 GMT -5
Having owned both here's my take on the difference. The 65 is cleaner, more headroom awesome old school sound for chord work.I played a semi hollow with P90's through this thing and was awesome for clean work. I did not like the breakup and found it harsh even with a speaker swap. The 68 breaks up nicer and earlier but with minimal headroom making it limited for doing shows. I think this model is more suited for the play at home player.
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Post by Tall-Fir on Mar 26, 2020 21:12:49 GMT -5
I’m pretty much a small amp guy, with living in an apartment and all. I was looking into used Champs and Vibro Champs on CL for a while, and realized their prices are approaching that of a
Fender used Princeton Reverb, either model. I believe either of the New but used Princeton Reverb models are much more amp than the original Fender Champs and Vibro Champs. Love that reverb! Just my opinion. I did own a fender reissue ‘65 Deluxe Reverb at one time but sold it after a couple of years. I would think that to be more of an all round use amp than the Princeton Reverb, though.
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