TBird
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Post by TBird on Mar 30, 2020 14:18:22 GMT -5
I have online lessons, youtube vids and even live lessons where I've learned some really cool licks. I practice them until I can do them pretty well, but when I play live with a group, I resort to the same old stuff. Can't for the life of me come up with any of those new licks I worked on so hard. It's finally dawning on me that when I learn the lick, I don't work on incorporating into a full solo and wind up forgetting it. So, I've made up my mind to work to lick into a full solo I can pull them out of the hat when I want to amaze myself!
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Post by rickyguitar on Mar 30, 2020 15:43:15 GMT -5
There ya go!
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Post by larryguitar54 on Mar 30, 2020 18:42:45 GMT -5
Yup I figured that out as well. It gets to a basic truth. There is no substitute for repetition in a live setting.
The hours spent in at home learning licks don't immediately translate to playing in a group. And the hours spent on band rehearsal don't always translate to a live performance.
Thinking of a specific example my new band had a 90 minute local gig. We didn't have time to get up to speed. New band. Lot of material and the gig was only a few days away.
So I learned my parts pretty well--or at least I thought. Then we held one rehearsal to make sure we got the changes and groove. I thought it sounded 'okay' and I felt confident enough.
Then on the night of the show it was kinda 'meh...' It wasn't terrible. But it wasn't good either and I wasn't going to lie to myself. It was just sloppy and not really up to my standards.
There is something about spending many hours on stage that brings everything into focus.
I have learned I can do a quarter of my licks and just make sure I hit it solid and it's better. I tend to think it's a recital and I need to pass the audition and it sends me sideways.
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Post by windmill on Mar 30, 2020 20:13:51 GMT -5
In the Tommy Tedesco youtube video posted in the Tavern section he says that if he learnt anything new he would play it till he knew it inside out and where it would fit in a chord progression or a solo. I think you are on the right track.  |
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gdw3
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Post by gdw3 on Apr 2, 2020 12:53:24 GMT -5
Yeah, you gotta incorporate it into your fingers, not just learn how to play it. It's hard to whip out something new in the middle of a tune, while the spotlight is on. I have found myself playing a thing that I learned years ago, and kept fooling around with, until it just became another part of my arsenal one day.
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Post by mikem on Apr 3, 2020 8:17:17 GMT -5
When I was in my 20's (in the '80's) I took jazz sax improvisation lessons (I was coming from the classical world)from two teachers/jazzers at different points in time.
I learned alot from both of them.
The second one told me something that hit home....at that time he had me shedding/memorizing (2 hrs a day) mixolydian / mixolydian-bebop scale patterns....
...after a month of hacking away at these (they were coming along)I asked the instructor "When will I start hearing these patterns come through my soloing?" His answer: "maybe in a year......one day it'll just come out of your horn"
....and it happened!
The above novel (lol) being stated, if you keep going at it, eventually it will come out in your playing.
I am no musical genius, but I practice.
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Post by pdf64 on Apr 3, 2020 12:38:46 GMT -5
When 2nd rate players learn something new, they play it and play until they get it right.
Whereas 1st rate players, carry on until they can't get it wrong
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Apr 5, 2020 13:46:33 GMT -5
This is one of the reasons I don't sit and noodle on guitar, because it's a great way to get stale fast. I learned a long time ago that noodling reinforces only what I know, and it reinforces repetition of what I know...and I go on autopilot. It's like a self-licking (heh!) ice cream cone. This manifests itself when playing with others. Noodling is not practice, and it is a really bad habit--especially when standing in front of a crowd. It's unprofessional. Tune up, shut up, and wait for the count.  |
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Post by mikem on Apr 6, 2020 18:33:02 GMT -5
This is one of the reasons I don't sit and noodle on guitar, because it's a great way to get stale fast. I learned a long time ago that noodling reinforces only what I know, and it reinforces repetition of what I know...and I go on autopilot. It's like a self-licking (heh!) ice cream cone. This manifests itself when playing with others. Noodling is not practice, and it is a really bad habit--especially when standing in front of a crowd. It's unprofessional. Tune up, shut up, and wait for the count. Playing is not practice - practice is not playing...... You practice something to the point where it sounds good, after which, if you keep going over that same passage/song/etc. you are not practicing it anymore - you're playing it. |
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