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Post by Laker on Apr 2, 2020 9:12:25 GMT -5
I found this a nice way to spend a couple of quarantine minutes learning about the 2020 Corvette and some of the thought processes that went into the car. Interesting was the competing cars were purchased and dismantled to attain design info. I am looking forward to putting one of these in the garage in the future; because of the GM strike and Corona virus, very few people will still be able to purchase a 2020.
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Post by gato on Apr 2, 2020 9:24:19 GMT -5
Are they including an integrated trailer hitch for 2020? Seems they've always left that out in their designs, relying on aftermarket sellers.
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Post by insanecooker on Apr 2, 2020 9:57:53 GMT -5
It is a nice mid-engine minivan.
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Post by Laker on Apr 2, 2020 10:28:39 GMT -5
Are they including an integrated trailer hitch for 2020? Seems they've always left that out in their designs, relying on aftermarket sellers. Back when people pulled trailers with corvettes, GM actually did design a hitch. As an example, A friend had one on his ‘68 L88 that was attached to the frame and pivoted up/down along side the spare tire well on the frame rails and latched onto the rear frame rail. It gave complete access to the spare and was quite sturdy.
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Post by jhawkr on Apr 2, 2020 12:41:14 GMT -5
Very nice car and looks like good value for the money.
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Post by tahitijack on Apr 2, 2020 15:36:28 GMT -5
2020 model is sold out according to GM. Price was a complete surprise. Goes on my bucket list.
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Post by Blacksunshine on Apr 2, 2020 15:52:13 GMT -5
It is a nice mid-engine minivan. LOL!! Man no kidding, what a disappointment. We're a dying breed my friend, not many people left that prefer to bang gears themselves. I've got one hot-rodder friend left who agrees with you and me, the rest have drank the automatic Kool-Aid.
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Post by insanecooker on Apr 2, 2020 16:24:58 GMT -5
I know! I'm beginning to think my future will be in "vintage" cars.
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Post by tahitijack on Apr 2, 2020 17:04:14 GMT -5
I think GM is targeting an older demographic that is more interested in looks and cost, not performance or shifting for themselves. Toyota built Scion for a youthful buyer but it was actually purchased by seniors looking for value and reliable transportation.
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Post by 6l6 on Apr 2, 2020 19:12:56 GMT -5
No manual, no interest.
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Post by walshb 🦒 on Apr 2, 2020 19:34:44 GMT -5
I'd prefer to have a manual shift option, but to be honest, this probably shifts faster than I could shift manually.
Paddle shifters can still be fun!
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Post by insanecooker on Apr 3, 2020 4:33:34 GMT -5
this probably shifts faster than I could shift manually. Indeed - very helpful for one’s professional racing career.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Apr 3, 2020 7:53:22 GMT -5
This. I know autos can do it faster, but no clutch = no fun for me. It's a key part of the sport driving experience IMO.
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Post by nawlins dawg on Apr 3, 2020 8:07:40 GMT -5
Yeah, a manual shift is all fun and games until you’re stuck in gridlock. I’ll take the paddle shifters and risk the shame, thank you
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Post by 18megohm on Apr 3, 2020 8:17:48 GMT -5
That’s why I want to get a 2020 Mustang GT with a manual while they are still available.
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Post by Laker on Apr 3, 2020 8:34:59 GMT -5
I think GM is targeting an older demographic that is more interested in looks and cost, not performance or shifting for themselves. Toyota built Scion for a youthful buyer but it was actually purchased by seniors looking for value and reliable transportation. Actually they are aggressively pursuing a younger demographic. Tadge Juechter, Corvette Executive Engineer made this statement about the target owner, “So we’re not walking away from our current customers, we love our current customers, and wanna do a car for them that they’ll be happy with,” Juechter adds. “But at the same time you can’t continue to have your demographics continue to get older every year or eventually, you won’t have any customers.” He also was adamant that there would be no chrome wheels offered on the C8, an observed link to us older guys who grew up with chroming stuff on hotrods. When asked about the lack of chrome his response was, "Is this move against chrome wheels ageist? Absolutely, but it's also part of a concerted effort on GM's part—which includes, you know, the C8's very serious new mid-engine layout—to shift the Corvette's appeal into edgier territory and toward those who don't yet qualify for AARP membership." By the way, if you go into any dealership now days and try to find a young person that can drive a standard shift car you'll find it is a real rarity. And, I've run into the same issue with valet parking if we drive a Corvette out to dinner.
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Post by jhawkr on Apr 3, 2020 9:02:06 GMT -5
I bought my 2014 Mustang GT with the 6 speed automatic. Once in a while I wax nostalgic for a stick but I come quickly to my senses. If I drove it only on Sunday’s, maybe shifting gears manually could make sense.
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Post by Blacksunshine on Apr 3, 2020 10:12:20 GMT -5
I think GM is targeting an older demographic that is more interested in looks and cost, not performance or shifting for themselves. Toyota built Scion for a youthful buyer but it was actually purchased by seniors looking for value and reliable transportation. Actually they are aggressively pursuing a younger demographic. Tadge Juechter, Corvette Executive Engineer made this statement about the target owner, “So we’re not walking away from our current customers, we love our current customers, and wanna do a car for them that they’ll be happy with,” Juechter adds. “But at the same time you can’t continue to have your demographics continue to get older every year or eventually, you won’t have any customers.” He also was adamant that there would be no chrome wheels offered on the C8, an observed link to us older guys who grew up with chroming stuff on hotrods. When asked about the lack of chrome his response was, "Is this move against chrome wheels ageist? Absolutely, but it's also part of a concerted effort on GM's part—which includes, you know, the C8's very serious new mid-engine layout—to shift the Corvette's appeal into edgier territory and toward those who don't yet qualify for AARP membership." By the way, if you go into any dealership now days and try to find a young person that can drive a standard shift car you'll find it is a real rarity. And, I've run into the same issue with valet parking if we drive a Corvette out to dinner. I agree, Laker. Today's yutes really are concerned about those extra few milliseconds, seriously. I even have friends my age (mid 40s) that have gone over to the dual clutch side. Plus, like you mentioned, a lot of yutes don't even know how to drive a manual, so I agree this was probably a good strategy on GMs part. Regarding daily driving a manual tranny? I've done that off and on for 20 years or more. Most recently, my C6 was my daily driver up until a year or so ago. (and plan to daily drive a manual again in the near future) Traffic is a non-issue for me, although admittedly I'm not spending 3 hours a day on road.
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Post by Blacksunshine on Apr 3, 2020 10:14:34 GMT -5
I think GM is targeting an older demographic that is more interested in looks and cost, not performance or shifting for themselves. Toyota built Scion for a youthful buyer but it was actually purchased by seniors looking for value and reliable transportation. Actually they are aggressively pursuing a younger demographic. Tadge Juechter, Corvette Executive Engineer made this statement about the target owner, “So we’re not walking away from our current customers, we love our current customers, and wanna do a car for them that they’ll be happy with,” Juechter adds. “But at the same time you can’t continue to have your demographics continue to get older every year or eventually, you won’t have any customers.” He also was adamant that there would be no chrome wheels offered on the C8, an observed link to us older guys who grew up with chroming stuff on hotrods. When asked about the lack of chrome his response was, "Is this move against chrome wheels ageist? Absolutely, but it's also part of a concerted effort on GM's part—which includes, you know, the C8's very serious new mid-engine layout—to shift the Corvette's appeal into edgier territory and toward those who don't yet qualify for AARP membership." By the way, if you go into any dealership now days and try to find a young person that can drive a standard shift car you'll find it is a real rarity. And, I've run into the same issue with valet parking if we drive a Corvette out to dinner. Right after we got our C6 we took a road trip to Austin. The hotel we stayed at (The Driskill) is in downtown Austin and only has valet. The car sat in front of the building for almost an hour waiting for the ONE guy on staff that knew how to drive a manual. LOL!! These kids today.....
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Post by Laker on Apr 3, 2020 10:51:26 GMT -5
Right after we got our C6 we took a road trip to Austin. The hotel we stayed at (The Driskill) is in downtown Austin and only has valet. The car sat in front of the building for almost an hour waiting for the ONE guy on staff that knew how to drive a manual. LOL!! These kids today..... Ya know, my wife and I enjoyed dinner at the same German restaurant for 35+ years. We found the changing abilities of the young valet attendants who worked there when our car never moved out of the valet drop off, they’d just have me move the Vette to the very rear of that space and leave it there. When traveling, I usually park my own car in “valet parking”. I am one of the senior drivers who will really miss a manual transmission, but people of my age group no longer tell the auto makers what is desirable in a new car. Hell, if we ruled the design there’d still be 8- tracks and tissue dispensers in cars.
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Post by insanecooker on Apr 3, 2020 11:07:49 GMT -5
You lost me at "valet parking". Not something I ever use (quite literally, if it's really the only option I Uber in).
I've only ever owned manual cars, so that's what I use for everything, including daily driving in cities with heavy traffic.
My wife's Mini is an automatic, though. It would be so much better as a non-minivan...
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Post by FlyonNylon on Apr 3, 2020 18:42:01 GMT -5
The C8 looks pretty sweet. I’d love to take a red targa around Road Atlanta a few times. That said, I’d probably end up hitting 100 every time I drove the thing on the road and get into trouble pretty quickly. Safer for everyone around you to do that on a bike. . All my vehicles are manual trans, to the chagrin of my wife, whose X5 always seems to be breaking down.. have no plans to buy anything auto barring a physical injury. In general I ascribe to the philosophy that it’s more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow, on public roads at least. The C8 looks like an awesome track toy though.
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Post by guildx700 on Apr 4, 2020 0:21:15 GMT -5
The legend continues on in it's best ever form IMO.
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Post by walshb 🦒 on Apr 4, 2020 7:48:37 GMT -5
I found this a nice way to spend a couple of quarantine minutes learning about the 2020 Corvette and some of the thought processes that went into the car. Interesting was the competing cars were purchased and dismantled to attain design info. I am looking forward to putting one of these in the garage in the future; because of the GM strike and Corona virus, very few people will still be able to purchase a 2020. I finally got around to watching this, and I'm glad I did. Lots of really great info! Thanks for posting it Laker!
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