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Post by jefe46 on Apr 4, 2020 18:31:09 GMT -5
I have held a few Les Pauls and picked for a few minutes but never really had the time to explore them further.
The weight put me off a bit but what a great sound and versatile.
Lots of folks play them to include Robben Ford, one of my favorite guitarists.
I may be leaning that way to have another flavor other than my Telecaster
Curious who here plays one and if so what do you like about them, and if you prefer any specific models,
and any comments about the Epiphone versions.
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Post by guildx700 on Apr 4, 2020 21:14:12 GMT -5
Never played an Epi one I liked other than the short lived Elitest line. Played and own/owned more than a few, having a couple in the herd is a must have for me. My current fav is a lovely flametop from 2013, it's on the right: and in front: It has coil taps & boost, one of the best playing/most versatile LP's I've used. A keeper for sure.
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Post by guildx700 on Apr 4, 2020 21:25:27 GMT -5
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Post by LTB on Apr 4, 2020 21:31:35 GMT -5
Seems to me I remember seeing Les Paul models with hollowed out spaces in the body to lighten it. Don't remember the year/s Looks like you run a music store
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Post by guildx700 on Apr 4, 2020 21:45:52 GMT -5
Seems to me I remember seeing Les Paul models with hollowed out spaces in the body to lighten it. Don't remember the year/s Looks like you run a music store There are many Gibson Les Pauls with weight relief holes drilled into the body to manage the excessive weight of the available body wood being used. There are also chambered ones and even some clones with F holes.
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Post by LTB on Apr 4, 2020 22:46:11 GMT -5
Seems to me I remember seeing Les Paul models with hollowed out spaces in the body to lighten it. Don't remember the year/s Looks like you run a music store There are many Gibson Les Pauls with weight relief holes drilled into the body to manage the excessive weight of the available body wood being used. There are also chambered ones and even some clones with F holes. Cool, thanks!!!
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Post by MoJoe on Apr 5, 2020 0:24:51 GMT -5
Been in the same spot to compliment my Tele habit, to be satisfied by a '05 Les Paul Standard. What a sound! Dry but juicy in the same time. Mild burstbuckers did the trick, imo. Was turned off by the 10lbs. and tuning instabilities and let go eventually. With regrets. Finding a good one with decent weight (-relief) perfectly cut nut could be well worth your while.
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Post by guildx700 on Apr 5, 2020 0:40:33 GMT -5
Been in the same spot to compliment my Tele habit, to be satisfied by a '05 Les Paul Standard. What a sound! Dry but juicy in the same time. Mild burstbuckers did the trick, imo. Was turned off by the 10lbs. and tuning instabilities and let go eventually. With regrets. Finding a good one with decent weight (-relief) perfectly cut nut could be well worth your while. Been working on guitars for over 40 years, 99 out of 100 factory fresh usually need a better nut. I'm talking full replacement, not just tweaking. Bone or ivory mammoth tusk are my first choices. One of the cheapest items on a guitar that can make or break it, yet most folks even guitar techs ignore it more or less. Not only is there usually an issue with slot binding affecting tuning stability issues, but the string spacing & height as well as the fall back and angling to the respective tuners is more often than not bad overall.
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Post by MoJoe on Apr 5, 2020 3:19:36 GMT -5
Yeah, golden advice on the nut job. Small issue to fix vs. the steep head angle. Had me a new Gretsch at the time. Everything I'd wished for the Gibby in haptics, that one had in spades. Good strings-angle, perfect frets and 3lbs lighter has made the parting process easier at the time. I keep looking for THAT Les Paul though. Somehow, somewhere..
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Post by budg on Apr 5, 2020 10:46:37 GMT -5
I have had various Lester’s over the years. Most of them have been heavy. I’m primarily a strat player and although the Lester is a nice change , not so much if the guitar is too heavy. Love the sound and how they play. I have had a few Epis and recommending running the racks and coming to your own conclusion about them. The nut is the weakness of Gibson’s, but easily remedied. Finding a lighter one , if that’s a deal breaker , is a big part of the battle. I bought a Tribute LP that has the ultra modern relief and weighs less than 8 lbs. I would say if trying a bunch is an option , do that. Otherwise make sure a good return policy is in place.
Don’t necessarily expect the Les Paul to replace your tele and you’ll be fine. Look at it as an added dimension to your tool box . It might replace it, but if it doesn’t , that’s ok.
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Post by Blacksunshine on Apr 5, 2020 12:10:21 GMT -5
I prefer Juniors with P-90s.
I like the flat body, and love how they sound with the P-90 pickups, never cared much for the "typical" Les Paul feel and sound. (curved top with humbuckers)
YMMV
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Post by Tequila Rob on Apr 5, 2020 12:25:19 GMT -5
IMHO, Les Paul burst's are one of the prettiest looking guitars ever made. I had a 71 Deluxe....it was heavy, but played and sounded fantastic...
I've only owned tele's for the last 7 years or so...and one of the big reasons is simplicity and location of controls....I'd have a Lester in a minute if they made the controls like a tele.....
but then it wouldn't be a Les Paul..
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Apr 5, 2020 13:09:57 GMT -5
IMO if one ventures outside the realm of Gibson looking for a single cut/dual humbucker guitar then a whole new world opens up. One guitar that intrigued me was the PRS Zach Myers sig model. While signature models turn me off I did play one of these at a shop and really liked it. Nice full neck (if one is into that profile). And of course, bonus points for cool color. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SEZMTG3--prs-se-zach-myers-semi-hollow-trampas-green
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Apr 5, 2020 14:23:52 GMT -5
Another really fine Les Paul-alike is the PRS Bernie Marsden model. Even the SE (import) version is amazingly good. I have the SE and it's a favorite of mine because it has huge bang for the buck: A really affordable way to get into a Les Paul is a 50s or 60s tribute model. The general difference between them is the neck carve; the 50s is fatter and the 60s is skinnier. Pick what you like and go from there. I have a 50s trib goldtop with P90s and it's a fantastic player. The reduced price reflects in the lack of dee-lux appointments like super glossy finish, binding, headstock inlay, etc. But the basic ingredients are all there and they sound the business 100%. One thing to consider is the pickups. It's difficult to say what's best because they all sound fantastic. The best advice is to take a look at the instruments of players whose music you like, and see what their guitars are equipped with. That can help you decide whether you want full-size humbuckers, P90s, or mini-humbuckers as used on the LP Deluxe models. Many modern-production models have unique switching options for even more tone selections such as coil splitting, phase switching, series/parallel coils, etc. Some players use this stuff and love it, but I have found it mostly unnecessary since I tend to prefer basic controls. I have a '96 LP Classic 60 in cherry sunburst. It is everything a Les Paul is most known for: killer looks, killer tone, and it's heavy. I replaced the snot green tuner buttons years ago because they look nothing like what's supposed to be on a Gibson. I don't play it much anymore because of the skinnyish neck. This one is a more recent-production (2014) R8 from the custom shop. It's chambered and weighs in at 7.2 lbs--lighter than my CS Telecaster. The chunkier neck and lighter weight makes playing it a real pleasure. It is everything a Les Paul is supposed to be, but there's something else in the recipe that I cannot define; it is a holy grail guitar because it stays in perfect tune, plays in perfect tune, and sometimes seems to play itself. It is really a magical beast of a guitar. I cannot imagine a better Les Paul than this one.
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Post by oldnjplayer on Apr 5, 2020 15:28:25 GMT -5
I still have a 1984 Les Paul Studio that I purchased in 1984 on music row in NYC. Its plain black and as I was told has the same electronics that the Standard had at that time. It weighs a tone but has a really sweet humbucker sound. Not much to look at but plays like butter.
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Post by sirWheat on Apr 5, 2020 16:00:35 GMT -5
Does your '84 have bound body and neck? My '84 does though it's a sunburst. People call 'em a "studio standard" sometimes 'cause of the binding. I think the studios started in "82 and had the binding for a while.
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Post by Duke on Apr 5, 2020 16:25:33 GMT -5
I own a 70s LP Standard. It's a solid guitar and the pickups have a great amount of clarity. The chunky neck "feels" good and the sustain is great. It's a nice guitar that goes well with my Tele and Strats.
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Post by Blacksunshine on Apr 5, 2020 21:21:15 GMT -5
I posted this in Peegoo's Brian Ray thread, but it's worth posting here, and well worth the 34 minutes of your life.
This is the dream Gibson collection, some of these Les Pauls and 335s are one of ones.
Unbelievable collection. John Shanks.
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Post by guildx700 on Apr 5, 2020 22:33:58 GMT -5
This one is a more recent-production (2014) R8 from the custom shop. It's chambered and weighs in at 7.2 lbs--lighter than my CS Telecaster. The chunkier neck and lighter weight makes playing it a real pleasure. It is everything a Les Paul is supposed to be, but there's something else in the recipe that I cannot define; it is a holy grail guitar because it stays in perfect tune, plays in perfect tune, and sometimes seems to play itself. It is really a magical beast of a guitar. I cannot imagine a better Les Paul than this one. Scuse me whilst I blow of a bit of cheap steam. I'd put my money on that R 8 of your's over most all other brands attempts any day. That being said though, I need to state this: I can not in good conscious in the end put other manufactures attempts at a "similar" offering head to head as, well... frankly....hello folks....it's not a Gibson unless it's a Gibson. Pretty simply stuff. Don't matter if it's Heritage, PRS...whatever...sure we can/could get into this and that and the details, minutia and all other things, but the variables get too far and wide/different to try and compare same to same. Someone want's talk Les Pauls...well they jolly well better be Gibson Les Pauls, otherwise the waters get WAY too murky. Nuff said. I'm far from an expert on Les Pauls...but...I have played more than a few originals from the 50's, and most of the other Gibson variants later produced, so I think I can talk from a reasonably wide range of hands on experience, which I would like to think removes a fair amount of brand name bias. Hell I've been more than impressed with some Studio models over bigger buck Historics. In the end, if it has that muddy, farting rhythm pickup sound, or that dreaded thin, weak lead sound, dump it. Ok, sure, some folks say swap pickups, perhaps it would fix it, but then we get into modded comparisons and all bets are off. Gibson Les Paul's have a ton of positive if not legendary music history preserved in recorded history. Few electric guitar models have been able to stack up to that let alone beat it other than the Strat, which is another completely different animal.
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Post by modbus on Apr 6, 2020 12:24:51 GMT -5
I like Les Paul Studios. They are "real" Gibson Les Pauls, just a bit thinner and no binding. They are also cheap enough so that it's not the end of the world if they get dinged up a bit.
That being said, I'm very intrigued by those Les Paul Tributes. They seem really nice.
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Post by Blacksunshine on Apr 6, 2020 22:01:52 GMT -5
All this Les Paul talk, I thought maybe I'd look into a Gold Top with P-90s.
Holy smokes, expensive!
I'll wait a while.
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Post by guildx700 on Apr 6, 2020 23:01:39 GMT -5
All this Les Paul talk, I thought maybe I'd look into a Gold Top with P-90s. Holy smokes, expensive! I'll wait a while. I had a Historic Gold Top and sold it, could not bond with it at all. P90's rock, even in a much lesser model.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Apr 6, 2020 23:38:26 GMT -5
While I enjoyed the John Shanks tour, it was a crime that they left the first room without talking about that Veleno in the glass case. Are you kidding me?
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