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Post by Blacksunshine on Apr 19, 2020 0:42:55 GMT -5
Listen to this Marty Robbins track, and notice the fuzz bass at 1:27, and at the very end.
Supposedly something on the recording console messed up, but they ended up loving the sound and kept it.
After that someone came up with a circuit that had the same effect, and the rest is history.
Check it out:
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Post by Leftee on Apr 19, 2020 0:47:59 GMT -5
It was also the year I was born.
I think my presence on Earth created a lot of fuzz.
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Post by HenryJ on Apr 19, 2020 6:01:46 GMT -5
Oh yes, I had heard and read that a long time ago. But I thought it was the guitar, not the bass.
In the early days of fuzztone, guitarists mainly played it on the low notes because that range better showed off that you were using a fuzzbox. See "Satisfaction" by Rolling Stones.
Then Jeff Beck and the Yardbirds came along and made it cool to have distortion up the neck and on the higher-pitched strings. (Yeah, I don't know if Beck used a fuzz box or just cranked the amp.)
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Post by stratcowboy on Apr 19, 2020 8:31:14 GMT -5
Well...what about "Rocket 88?" The legend of that old R&B tune from the early '50s which featured Ike Turner and his Kings of Rhythm behind Jackie Brenston. Their guitarist (not Ike at the time) played a distorted track on that record that was the result of the amp being dropped or a ripped speaker cone, etc. They ultimately liked the distorted tone and it became an R&B/rock 'n' roll/blues staple.
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Post by stratcowboy on Apr 19, 2020 8:38:16 GMT -5
Early '50s distortion...
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Post by Blacksunshine on Apr 19, 2020 9:53:13 GMT -5
I don't know the physics or electronics behind it, but supposedly distortion and fuzz are two different things that work differently. (Admittedly to achieve similar results, that being a "dirty" tone)
Fuzz sure sounds different to my ears, but YMMV.
Watch some interviews with Josh Scott from JHS pedals, he explains fuzz vs. overdrive vs. distortion pretty well.
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Post by stratcowboy on Apr 19, 2020 10:12:41 GMT -5
Yes...I realize there's differences between all those things. I was just adding to the discussion of where some of these tones originated from.
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Post by Blacksunshine on Apr 19, 2020 10:38:06 GMT -5
I heard someone, (was it Keef) would purposely cut slits in the speaker to distort the sound!
Or maybe that was Jeff Beck?
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Post by Bopper on Apr 19, 2020 11:23:08 GMT -5
I heard someone, (was it Keef) would purposely cut slits in the speaker Same thing has been attributed to Link Wray and Dave Davies. Who knows? that was the result of the amp being dropped Same explanation for Paul Burlison's tone with The Rock and Roll Trio on "The Train Kept A-Rollin'" in 1956. So has anybody tried loosening a tube to find out how it sounds? Should be easy to do, but I've never heard of anyone *really* doing it. I haven't.
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Post by HenryJ on Apr 19, 2020 12:53:19 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I think it was Peegoo, on Moe's 2 in 2020, who said that distortion is clipping, whereas fuzz is a square wave. Now, the more a sine wave is clipped, the closer it is to a square wave.
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Post by LM on Apr 19, 2020 14:41:16 GMT -5
Overdrive typically denotes the sound of a guitar amp with overdriven tubes. Distortion is when the signal is saturated. Fuzz is when the signal is distorted and clipped to the point that it's almost a square wave.
Rumor has it Norman Greenbaum's tone on Spirit in the Sky was an accidentally ripped cone.
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Post by sirWheat on Apr 19, 2020 18:20:24 GMT -5
So has anybody tried loosening a tube to find out how it sounds? Years ago I showed up to practice with my Deluxe Reverb, an amp I've never really liked (in part because it sounds crappy at the low volumes the band I was in played at-it was my only amp), plugged in and was amazed at how great it sounded. It was getting a nice dirty tone at low volume. Hurray, I thought, 'til I realized something might be wrong. Upon inspection I found one of the power tubes in the bottom of the cab. Still don't know if doing that can damage the amp or not, haven't ever tried it on purpose. I bought and installed some tube retainers just in case.
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Post by LTB on Apr 19, 2020 21:49:15 GMT -5
I remember the Stones were one of the first (I said one of) and I had to have one in a band I was in in 1967 so I could do Satisfaction
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Post by Pinetree on Apr 20, 2020 4:18:32 GMT -5
In the first ten minutes or so Josh Scott is going to geek out and tell you more about the inception of the Fuzz pedal than you ever wanted to know.
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Post by SoK66 on Apr 22, 2020 7:37:24 GMT -5
I was working at a music store when the Gibson Fuzztone came out. One of the teachers, Jimmy Frechak, later guitar with the Airmen of Note, quipped "It took 30 years for them to get the distortion out of the amps, now you can pay to put it all back in."
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Post by Stinger22 on Apr 22, 2020 20:20:29 GMT -5
I heard someone, (was it Keef) would purposely cut slits in the speaker to distort the sound! Or maybe that was Jeff Beck? Dave Davies of the Kinks "The Kinks guitarist Dave Davies recalled the celebrated moment a slashed-open speaker cone created the iconic distorted sound for “You Really Got Me” – and admitted he didn't expect it to work. The 1964 track is credited with having inspired the distortion effects that led to the development of hard rock and metal music. Even though Dave and his brother Ray Davies have continually disagreed over who actually performed surgery on the amplifier, Dave shared his personal memory with Uncle Joe Benson on the Ultimate Classic Rock Nights radio show. “I think it was like a six-inch speaker,” he said. “It was quite small, in a very small amp, and it had a couple of inputs, and it had treble, bass and volume controls. I didn’t like the way it sounded, so I thought I’d jazz it up by cutting the speaker with a razor blade.” ultimateclassicrock.com/dave-davies-you-really-got-me-amp-sound/Read More: Dave Davies Didn’t Think ‘You Really Got Me’ Amp Stunt Would Work | ultimateclassicrock.com/dave-davies-you-really-got-me-amp-sound/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
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