Tall-Fir
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Post by Tall-Fir on Apr 25, 2020 8:27:55 GMT -5
I just have the usual 5-6 pedals on my board. I’ve read where buffers are placed before everything, after everything or sometimes both ends. They were used on pretty fancy setups, however, much more complicated than mine.
my board:
2 overdrives
delay
phaser
reverb
acoustic simulater
tuner
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Post by pdf64 on Apr 25, 2020 8:30:32 GMT -5
Any of your ‘non true bypass’ pedals (ie in bypass mode, there’s no signal with no battery / power, like any regular Boss pedal) will have a buffer built in.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 25, 2020 8:46:10 GMT -5
What Peter said ^
Also
You just have to try a buffer to see if you like it. It may do what it’s supposed to do, but you like your tones better without it.
IMO.
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Post by pdf64 on Apr 25, 2020 9:15:06 GMT -5
Absolutely - some pedals seem to have been intended to interact with the guitar (eg fuzzface, range master), so a buffer between the guitar and them would stop that.
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Post by Blacksunshine on Apr 25, 2020 10:03:26 GMT -5
As a side note, listen to some Youtubes with Josh from JHS pedals where he talks about buffered pedals vs. true bypass. In a nutshell, depending on how many effects you have in the chain, you want a mixture of true bypass and buffered pedals. The cork sniffers that proclaim they only use true bypass are actually negatively affecting their sound, you need some buffered circuits in the chain because they compensate for the signal loss due to all the connection points (patch cables, etc) Or something. I've learned a lot watching his videos, good stuff. Bottom line, don't fear the buffer!  |
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Tall-Fir
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Post by Tall-Fir on Apr 25, 2020 10:11:24 GMT -5
Thx for the responses everyone. This is new knowledge for me.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 25, 2020 10:45:41 GMT -5
His videos are the best when it comes to pedals.
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Post by LM on Apr 25, 2020 11:56:51 GMT -5
I've found it doesn't really matter where the buffer is in the circuit as long as it's there somewhere.
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Tall-Fir
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Post by Tall-Fir on Apr 25, 2020 12:40:22 GMT -5
Thx Lefty!
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Post by Blacksunshine on Apr 25, 2020 13:38:59 GMT -5
Yeah I've become a JHS/Josh Scott fanboy.
I love my Bonsai, I'm thinking about getting a Muffuletta too.
I really like the Panther delay, but it's out of production. They have the Panther Cub v2 which is the latest version of it.
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Post by Stinger22 on Apr 25, 2020 21:38:51 GMT -5
As a side note, listen to some Youtubes with Josh from JHS pedals where he talks about buffered pedals vs. true bypass. In a nutshell, depending on how many effects you have in the chain, you want a mixture of true bypass and buffered pedals. The cork sniffers that proclaim they only use true bypass are actually negatively affecting their sound, you need some buffered circuits in the chain because they compensate for the signal loss due to all the connection points (patch cables, etc) Or something. I've learned a lot watching his videos, good stuff. Bottom line, don't fear the buffer! A JHS Little Black Buffer is first thing on my board, sets up everything else with a good solid signal to work with. Here's Josh's "Why you need a buffer" |
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Tall-Fir
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Post by Tall-Fir on Apr 26, 2020 8:50:51 GMT -5
Great video thx!
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Post by Seldom Seen on Apr 26, 2020 11:19:40 GMT -5
I have a Fargen Sonic Edge Fluffer on both pedal boards. I find that it brightens or livens the tone. Most of my pedals are true bypass although I’ll sub in a Boss SD1, or vintage Ibanez Supertube on occasion.
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Post by DrKev on Apr 26, 2020 15:10:51 GMT -5
Re-lpacement in the chain, as I'm sure Josh says in the video, some vintage fuzz or wahs (because of their low input impedance) may not sound as you expect if you place them after a buffer. You might wish to keep them first in the chain.YMMV
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Post by LTB on Apr 27, 2020 22:22:29 GMT -5
I've found it doesn't really matter where the buffer is in the circuit as long as it's there somewhere. That is interesting. I have always felt a buffer was to keep your pedal chain from loading the guitar signal so it would have a fuller tone. |
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Post by LM on Apr 28, 2020 5:23:41 GMT -5
That is interesting. I have always felt a buffer was to keep your pedal chain from loading the guitar signal so it would have a fuller tone.
From my understanding, non-buffered chains bleed high frequencies. Putting a buffer early in the chain helps retain the guitar signal but the signal can still degrade thru pedals, connections, and cables to and from the amp, especially if there's an FX loop. Putting the buffer late in the chain may lose some of the original signal but the highs are restored closer to hitting the amp. Personally, I've never been able to tell much difference in a live gig where a buffered pedal sits in my chain. In fact, if I had no buffered pedals, I'd just turn up the treble.
It's a similar argument with the effectiveness of compressors.
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Post by pdf64 on Apr 28, 2020 6:01:31 GMT -5
It's kinda ironic really; because folks want true bypass pedals to maintain signal purity, they have to add yet another pair of pedals, a buffer at either end of their pedal chain. To, err, maintain signal purity.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Apr 28, 2020 8:03:36 GMT -5
I've been playing since 1971 and gigging since 1974. I have never needed a buffer pedal.
Until now. Thanks. Thanks a lot. 😎
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Post by LTB on Apr 30, 2020 3:59:17 GMT -5
It's kinda ironic really; because folks want true bypass pedals to maintain signal purity, they have to add yet another pair of pedals, a buffer at either end of their pedal chain. To, err, maintain signal purity. Interesting thought! Lol 😆 |
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Apr 30, 2020 7:50:01 GMT -5
Interesting enough, I tried the experiment detailed in the above video. Played through my pedalboard with all pedals off for 15 minutes, then plugged directly into the amp.
I actually preferred the tone with the guitar passing through the pedalboard. I found the direct in kind of woofy in comparison.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 30, 2020 8:01:14 GMT -5
Great tone is where you find it.
Great tone happens.
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Post by LTB on Apr 30, 2020 8:22:50 GMT -5
Great tone is where you find it. Great tone happens. Yep, I am still looking for it but sure I will eventially get there |
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Post by pdf64 on Apr 30, 2020 8:24:33 GMT -5
I actually preferred the tone with the guitar passing through the pedalboard. I found the direct in kind of woofy in comparison. That's interesting! What amp, which input? Just thinking that its input impedance may be lower than the typical 1M of the #1 inputs of classic amps; maybe more like the 136k of the typical #2 input |
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Apr 30, 2020 8:34:16 GMT -5
Princeton Reverb II, only 1 channel. Now my feeling is that my ears acclimated to the previous sound. Subjectivity based on conditioning. I might prefer the DI sound today if I reversed the process.
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