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Post by chimpo on Apr 25, 2020 21:38:44 GMT -5
I've had a new 2019 manufactured Dot for a week now. A few observations:
- It appears to be well manufactured and flawless. No ideas about neck construction (i.e number of pieces) because it's covered in paint but I consider it irrelevant.
- Nice solid construction. From what I can see through the f-holes indicates attention to detail as far as internal construction goes.
- The finish is excellent with no visible flaws
- Fret work is spot-on. No overhanging fret ends, no buzzing or any other fret related problems.
- Set-up and intonation is spot on. It's a player for sure.
- Tone wise, IMO, it tends to lean more towards a darker Les Paul sound compared to Gibson ES 335s. This may be because the centre block is mahogany, combined with a maple laminated top. (from what I've read ES-335s have a maple centre block which I reckon would give a brighter tone).
- The pickups sound great. Clear, articulate, no muddiness whatsoever. A variation of a vintage HB sound IMO.
- The tone and volume pots work great all the way to zero. I'm discovering tones that I never new existed, especially with middle selected and varying the pots in relation to each other. Awesome.
In summary: I crave a Gibson ES 335 but they are way to expensive. The Dot certainly provides GAS suppression. I have not being able to put it down and absolutely love it. To me it's a 335 variation tone wise but not so far removed that it's completely different. The only thing I don't really like is the shape of the pickguard, looks a bit weird (I definitely prefer the shape ES 335 pickguards), but it will remain in place because it doesn't affect anything.
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Post by guildx700 on Apr 26, 2020 1:24:01 GMT -5
While as Dot is nice, playing a 335 makes it quite apparent these are 2 very different guitars.
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Post by stratmanx on Apr 26, 2020 14:25:56 GMT -5
Like you, I was jones'ing for a 335, but couldn't justify Gibson's prices for something I wouldn't be using as my main choice of guitar, but still craved that Larry Carlton tone.
A couple years ago I found an Epi Dot VS (Vintage Sunburst) on the local Craigslist.
The neck profile superb, tuners did the job well, and it felt great overall.
As to be expected, they cut cost by installing sub par electronics, so replaced all the pots, wiring, toggle switch, jack, speed knobs, and put in a pair of Stew Mac Golden Age Parsons Street Overwound Humbuckers
Very "Under the Radar" pickups to be sure.
Alnico 2 in the bridge and Alnico 5 in the neck. That's a pretty sweet combo.
They arent crazy over the top distortion pickups, wound to 9.5k or so, and just have that added "oomph" to get that semi hollow body to singing.
This thing into a Deluxe Reverb on 5 1/2 is awfully sweet !
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Post by LTB on Apr 26, 2020 16:24:55 GMT -5
Glad you found a dot you like. Maybe they are making them better now than in the past. I played a new on in the store about 10 years ago or more and found it was tonally lackluster. I also played an Epi ES-335 Pro about 2 years ago and liked it a lot. And to the post that it is not a Gibson ES-335 I don't think anyone thinks it is. Just like Epi SG's are not like a Gibson SG Standard by any means. The person is happy with what they got and just wanted to express that fact.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Apr 26, 2020 16:44:29 GMT -5
About 15 years ago I found a Dot Deluxe in a shop that had been a wall hanger for a while and they wanted to move it. I think the gold hardware was a turnoff for a lot of players. I'm not really a fan either, but the price was right and it played and sounded great in the shop. I knew when I got it home I could tweak the setup and it would be even better.
I used it on a few gigs, but reverted back to my Tele clones. I didn't play it much after that. I ended up letting it go to a pal at work who was looking for a 335-alike. I now have a Gibson 3399 which ticks all the boxes for me.
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Post by LM on Apr 26, 2020 20:36:15 GMT -5
I played a new one in the store about 10 years ago or more and found it was tonally lackluster. Same here! I bought one on a whim and it was a tone turd. Knowing Epiphone has stepped up their game, I'd like take another one for a spin.
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Post by guildx700 on Apr 26, 2020 22:43:00 GMT -5
I played a new one in the store about 10 years ago or more and found it was tonally lackluster. Same here! I bought one on a whim and it was a tone turd. Knowing Epiphone has stepped up their game, I'd like take another one for a spin. Frankly I've yet to play a China Epi I'd considering buying, they look nice, but IMO that's where it all ends.
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Post by chimpo on Apr 27, 2020 5:15:56 GMT -5
While as Dot is nice, playing a 335 makes it quite apparent these are 2 very different guitars. Agreed. I have played some 335s and they are different for reasons I believe as explained in my original post. The Dot still has a "335ness" about it, a woody tone and a softer note attack compared to solid body electrics. Darker sounding yet familiar.
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Post by chimpo on Apr 27, 2020 5:23:19 GMT -5
Glad you found a dot you like. Maybe they are making them better now than in the past. I played a new on in the store about 10 years ago or more and found it was tonally lackluster. I also played an Epi ES-335 Pro about 2 years ago and liked it a lot. Last time I played one was somewhere during 2010/11. The pickups were muddy and the tone controls were like on/off switches, no real control over the sound. The one I have now is certainly an improvement. I personally can't criticise the quality of the electronics and time will tell if it will be reliable.
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