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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 20, 2020 9:50:51 GMT -5
Not sure how to move forward with this. Take a look and tell me what you think. Side shot of back trem cavity (yeah, them some funky springs) Measurement of cavity of new body Measurement of "vintage style body" the same parts came from and functioned properly Furthermore, when I put the caliper on the top horn of this guitar I get 42.5 mm, the other 44.75mm. Unless I'm missing something (and I've been known to), it seems my options are to leave trem cover off or look for a refund/replacement. I'm not opposed to leaving trem cover off, I just never have done that in the 45 years I've played Strats. I might have enough clearance if I block the trem and remove the springs, but again, I'm wigglestick kinda guy. WWYD?
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on May 20, 2020 10:15:26 GMT -5
I've had it happen several times, but never with American or Mexican Fenders (Squiers are another matter) and never had it happen with major brand replacement bodies (on a variety of off brands, it is rampant).
I just checked a 2000s-ish Mexican body because it was the one closest to me (I can check an American one too if you like, though it involves me *gasp* opening a case!) and I get 1.575 in the trem cavity (varies a fair amount depending where I measure, probably because of finish)... since you're going metric, that works out to about 40mm. The upper horn is 1.815" (the bodies are nominally 1 3/4" (44.45mm), and the MIMs always have such a thick finish) and that works out to 46.101mm.
Is it definitely a Strat body, or maybe what they call a "soloist" or something? That is too much be standard variation. The only way to get that by accident would be if they ran it through a thickness sander way more than needed... maybe stripping and refinishing or chasing after some obnoxious scratches or grain weirdness. You'd probably see clues by looking at the round overs, though.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 20, 2020 10:20:25 GMT -5
USACG body, which MJT took over.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on May 20, 2020 12:27:27 GMT -5
Are you saying the variance in the thickness of the body at the horns is ~3mm difference? That is weewee poor!
Contact USACG and let them know about all this weirdness, and see what they offer as a remedy.
If the body looks fine otherwise, and they offered me a 15-20 percent refund if I kept the body, I'd use a chop saw with a carbide blade to lop off about 1/4" from the bottom of the vibrato block. Re-drill the little spring hook holes if they're not deep enough, file the cut corners smooth, assemble the thing, and play the heck out of it.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 20, 2020 13:13:52 GMT -5
Hah, I have an old Allparts block that I'm trying to file down as we speak. 1mm has been prison work 😓
I have an email with pics in to Matt at MJT. I've been having successful dealings with them for 10 years at least, I can only assume this is a CNC oopsie with the recently appropriated USACG equipment. I don't see any option here other than a modified block or living with no trem cover. I'm not nutty in the "but its not the exact specs as a 1959 Strat" kind of way. But I wouldn't mind having the pretty cover on back.
TBC...
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Post by Leftee on May 20, 2020 13:22:29 GMT -5
No trem cover is bad when you have an outtie.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 20, 2020 13:24:14 GMT -5
No trem cover is bad when you have an outtie. I have an innie, but it's hairy.
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Post by hushnel on May 20, 2020 13:27:12 GMT -5
Would the springs ride any lower if you reversed them, so they hook at the bottom?
I have no clue, never had a guitar with springs.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 20, 2020 13:31:21 GMT -5
Would the springs ride any lower if you reversed them, so they hook at the bottom? I have no clue, never had a guitar with springs. Mike, there is no reversing. Where they hook is the only place they can anchor by design.
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Post by Leftee on May 20, 2020 13:32:33 GMT -5
I’ve only seen this on import Strat bodies.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on May 20, 2020 13:55:44 GMT -5
And some Squiers...
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on May 20, 2020 13:59:09 GMT -5
I can only assume this is a CNC oopsie with the recently appropriated USACG equipment. CNCs likely don't do any thicknessing. Can't say 100% sure, but usually it goes thus: After the glue up, the blocks are run through a planer, and possibly a thickness sander, taken to the CNC which cuts out the shape, the bevels and the cavities, then goes to the "body department" which will do clean up of tooling marks, blending tool transitions on edges, drilling feed holes, and so on. There will be some thickness sanding, but really only whatever they need to clean up sanding scratches. If the merger happened by the new company buying the equipment from the old company and appropriating it, it is possible they aren't monitoring the process and whoever was in the woodshop doing the planing wasn't paying attention. I'd think it would throw off the CNCs, but maybe they zero off of the tops of the bodies anyway. Normally the best workers are at the beginning because they need to know the tools the best, and maybe it got switched around and had someone new back there. That person normally would have to be constantly checking with calipers.
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Post by hushnel on May 20, 2020 14:11:23 GMT -5
Thanks, I kind of figured, since it wasn’t mentioned, but had to ask.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 20, 2020 14:27:40 GMT -5
Since the MJT+USACG thing happened recently, it makes me wonder if they also appropriated existing inventory of bodies from the failing regime. This may also explain why my trem was so far off when reinstalled on the new body (had to raise the action significantly). I know there are always adjustments that need to be made, but this was pretty big.
I hate the notion of a body like this being orphaned or worse yet, scrapped due to a spec issue. I might be inclined to find a local machine shop to chop my trem block.
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Post by sirWheat on May 20, 2020 15:03:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't be too happy about that myself. A thinner body could explain the action issues as well. I bet that neck pocket is a couple MM too shallow. I would hope that the company will want to help you out somehow. A few MMs ain't much but if it were my shop I would call that way out of tolerance.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on May 20, 2020 15:50:00 GMT -5
A thinner body could explain the action issues as well. I bet that neck pocket is a couple MM too shallow. Now that you mention it, if it was spec'ed initially to have a veneer top, that would account for the variation in size. Not sure why that made me think of it. Nor am I sure why I'm trying to figure out what went wrong... I don't work there! I hate the notion of a body like this being orphaned or worse yet, scrapped due to a spec issue. If it makes you feel any better, most of the $$$ in a neck or body is labor, so if they messed it up, adding labor into it to get it right (like grinding down a back block) makes less sense. Realistically most necks and bodies are under $10 for raw material cost to the manufacturer.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 21, 2020 13:31:12 GMT -5
Body is going back, apparently a batch of "special vintage 1.625” bodies" got mixed in with the 1.75" ones and found its way to me. Instead of finding a shorter block or modifying, we're gonna start all over. Yay!
Waiting on return label.
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Post by LTB on May 22, 2020 7:46:42 GMT -5
Body is going back, apparently a batch of "special vintage 1.625” bodies" got mixed in with the 1.75" ones and found its way to me. Instead of finding a shorter block or modifying, we're gonna start all over. Yay! Waiting on return label. Glad your able to get it corrected. Like the he crappy speaker cab I sent back for speaker mounting holes Being off, I could have corrected by re-drilling and Installing the Steel T-mounts but I should not have to do that. I shows crappy craftsmanship
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Post by DrKev on May 22, 2020 16:44:51 GMT -5
My old MIJ 62RI was like that. It's not variance, the body is made 3 mm (1/8") thinner. I noticed when I put a US Fender brindge in and the block was just like the photo. I gigied with it like that. I cannot explein why, but it made zero difference to tuning stability. No problem at all.
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Post by Leftee on May 22, 2020 16:46:46 GMT -5
Great news!
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on May 22, 2020 19:09:13 GMT -5
Outstanding. It's nice when a vendor owns up to their goof (it happens to the best) and takes care of the customer.
Glad to hear the ship is now sitting higher in the water!
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 23, 2020 17:58:43 GMT -5
I just flaked and ask them to make the replacement body Sonic blue instead of Sherwood Green. Heeheehee...
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