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Post by langford on May 26, 2020 19:45:57 GMT -5
I imagine we can all agree (more or less) that Fender, Gibson, and others pretty much nailed the core design of the electric guitar in the 1950s. The appetite for vintage instruments and reissues makes that case.
So, what innovations have we seen in more recent years (or decades, perhaps) that have built successfully on the ideas established in those early generations? Gibson has pushed a lot of boundaries on the gimmick side of things, but what else is out there that's really made a difference? Carbon fibre bodies for acoustics? Noiseless single coil pups? Robo-tuners (kidding!) This thing...
I have no engineering or design skills, so I don't bring much to the table. I am interested in new materials, though.
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Post by LesTele on May 26, 2020 20:09:10 GMT -5
I would like reverendrob to chime in on the Gibson system. I remember him being impressed by the technology a few years ago, much to my surprise. My only experiment with guitar technology was the Line6 Variax. As a recording tool it worked up to a point but I had one of the earlier, almost unplayable, ones.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on May 26, 2020 20:09:53 GMT -5
On the sillier end of things there is the Evertune bridge, which is the most brilliant guitar hardware design that I will never, ever put on any guitar. There are some good pieces of software for tap tuning and grading acoustic tops. In manufacturing, it is more to make a more predictable guitar, but it has a lot of promise. Breedlove is doing work with it right now.
edited to add: skip to about 5:30 to hear him talk about the system I mean. He's giving the very glossed over sales pitch, but it is actually a pretty cool system.
I'd love to see the Roland GK revisited. Very cool, excellent idea, lots of applications... but, it designed (roughly) when you were getting AOL floppy disks in the mail. I'm sure something better could be done, now.
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Post by Duke on May 26, 2020 20:45:38 GMT -5
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on May 26, 2020 22:22:11 GMT -5
The only true innovation (to my way of thinking) in pure guitar design over the last ~70 years since the introduction of the electric guitar is the multi-scale fan fret concept. Originally appearing on acoustic instruments in the 1600s, this is not a new idea, but it never gained traction until it was revived by Starrett and Novak.
All other new "guitar" technologies are simply pairing the nuts-n-bolts concept of the guitar with something else, e.g., digital sound modeling, MIDI control of a synth, and features and gadgets attached to the basic form of a guitar, which is a stick with strings and a fingerboard.
If a maker can find a cheap and effective way to make pickup swapping a simple matter, that may be the Next Big Thing in guitar tech. I had a thread on this last year on the FDP. It could be something big...but right now it's a bit too expensive for the guitar-buying public.
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Post by stratcowboy on May 26, 2020 22:39:49 GMT -5
How 'bout Fishman Fluence pickups (with a demo by Greg Koch):
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Post by stratcowboy on May 26, 2020 23:07:38 GMT -5
How 'bout the Parker Fly? I once played one for a few minutes in a store many years ago. Super light, for sure. But I don't remember anything that really turned me on about it. I guess it would be interesting to play one for an extended time to really know. Anybody been there?
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Post by Johnny Storm on May 27, 2020 7:38:39 GMT -5
How 'bout the Parker Fly? I once played one for a few minutes in a store many years ago. Super light, for sure. But I don't remember anything that really turned me on about it. I guess it would be interesting to play one for an extended time to really know. Anybody been there? I've had a Parker Fly for a long time. My one is a 2003 Mojo (mahogany neck and body with Seymour Duncan Jazz and 59 pickups). Its an exceptionally playable guitar.
I think some of the reasons why they didn't take off are that
- if you set the tone to 10 it is too shrill, 5 on the tone on a Parker is like 10 on most guitars - the guitar sounds weak if played acoustically (but sounds great thru an amp) - the corner of the upper horn can jab you in the chest when you're sitting down - it is so playable that you don't have to fight with it at all, this can come across as bland but its really a challenge to up your game.
Speaking of innovation, how about those headless Steinbergers?
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 27, 2020 8:28:54 GMT -5
Meh, anything after the 5 way switch and RWRP middle pickup is a solution looking for a problem. 😜
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Post by HenryJ on May 27, 2020 9:16:22 GMT -5
Meh, anything after the 5 way switch and RWRP middle pickup is a solution looking for a problem. 😜 With all due respect, I think it needs a pushbutton that activates the bridge pickup when the 5-way switch is in position 4 or 5. I think the S-1 used to do this, but the present ones are too complicated. I would love to hear a Stratocaster with the bridge and neck pickups together. Here's my innovation, were I an inventor: Gibson or Gretsch or whatever guitar with three pickups--have two toggle switches, one that controls the neck and bridge pickups as normal, and another that controls the middle pickup. With the middle pickup switch, up is the middle by itself, middle position is middle with either or both of the other pickups, and down is middle pickup off. You inventors out there can have my idea. You're welcome.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on May 27, 2020 9:30:17 GMT -5
Brian May did that with his Red Special, and he even took it a step further: he incorporated a phase switch on each pickup. In basic electronic terms, it's wired like a Fender Mustang but has three pickups instead of two. In 1983, Fender issued the Stratocaster Elite. It had no lever switch. Instead, it had a latching pushbutton for each pickup to turn it on and off. You could have all three pickups on if you liked. Guitar players pretty much ran the other way screaming, and the Elite was gone from the catalog two years later.
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Post by HenryJ on May 27, 2020 10:21:46 GMT -5
Peegoo, the problem with three on-off switches is that one of the combinations is silence. One of Beatle George Harrison's early guitars was something called a "Futurama," which had three on-off switches, one for each pickup. Seems that the story goes that when he was shopping for guitars, he took down the Futurama, plugged it in, and heard no sound. So he fumbled around with volume controls on the guitar, the amp, and then with the switching until pressing one of the buttons turned the guitar on. At full blast, causing guitars to fall from the wall.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 27, 2020 11:23:44 GMT -5
I went down the road of toggle switches offering all kinds of options on a Strat. In the end I found no use for the added options. I'm almost there (again) with the Tele 4 way switch; cool option I almost never use and the aesthetic of the neck pickup not being full forward causes my little neurotic brain to twitch a little. I'm no purist, but I've done this long enough to be good with the meat and potato offerings of traditional configurations on most guitars.
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Post by stratcowboy on May 27, 2020 14:25:31 GMT -5
but I've done this long enough to be good with the meat and potato offerings of traditional configurations on most guitars. Totally with you on this. I prefer simplicity to complexity/options--in many things in life. It's like being hungry and going to one of those deluxe buffets. You tend to grab all kinds of stuff, and then eat too much, and then feel crummy after it's all over. Just give me a regular burrito and I'll be happy!
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Post by spud1950 on May 27, 2020 18:15:03 GMT -5
Presenting the Gyrock. HereOnly $16,000 dollars! Here
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Post by Vibroluxer on May 27, 2020 19:43:30 GMT -5
At that price I'll take 2.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on May 27, 2020 21:03:26 GMT -5
Presenting the Gyrock. HereOnly $16,000 dollars! Here
"The Gyrock pickup system breaks with convention to create a unique musical experience. Beyond the engineering achievement, we believe in the artisanal values, and all our instruments are handcrafted the old fashion way in our workshop. We are comitted to always delivering premium quality instruments, that’s why all our Guitars are designed, crafted, painted, wired and tuned in France. "
The only part of that that wasn't gibberish was "France".
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on May 27, 2020 21:38:51 GMT -5
The Gyrock is not true innovation; it's a gimmick attached to an electric guitar. Those basic components have not evolved much at all since 1950.
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Post by HenryJ on May 28, 2020 6:19:29 GMT -5
So, what about Fender's bolt-on necks vs. Gibson and everybody else's glued-in set necks? What do the experts say about this, and what it does to the tone? And is this a good thing, a bad thing, or simply a unique thing? What's everybody's opinion on this?
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Post by Mike the marksman on May 28, 2020 7:00:50 GMT -5
I think stainless frets, locking tuners and graph-tech nuts are pretty good innovations.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 28, 2020 10:23:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I can go along with SS frets.
I had an Elite like the one in Peegoo's pic, wine reddish burst. I'm still mad at myself for buying that pig, but if I look at pics of my hair style during that era its clear there was a broad spectrum of poor judgement.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on May 30, 2020 3:10:23 GMT -5
So, what about Fender's bolt-on necks vs. Gibson and everybody else's glued-in set necks? What do the experts say about this, and what it does to the tone? And is this a good thing, a bad thing, or simply a unique thing? What's everybody's opinion on this? The argument from me is this: they both work great. Each does have advantages and disadvantages, but one is no better than the other.
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Post by Rick Knight on May 30, 2020 6:56:08 GMT -5
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on May 30, 2020 8:54:05 GMT -5
I guess the guitorgan also falls into the category of more like electronic innovations specifically used for guitar, but I found them interesting I played one/worked on one (or two?) years ago. A truly remarkable innovation, for sure. I think the digital age has killed innovation in a lot of ways, because we're just writing algorithms for things or making incremental improvements on things that were invented in the '60s or '70s and not truly inventing. If you revisit pre-digital inventions, they are truly genius. Make fun of me if you want, I think the story behind inventing color TV is far more interesting than the iPhone.
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Post by rangercaster on May 30, 2020 12:19:09 GMT -5
Steinberger... if not mentioned already...
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