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Post by zenland on Jun 4, 2020 18:27:32 GMT -5
With Brad Paisley.
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Post by zenland on Jun 4, 2020 18:43:00 GMT -5
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Post by LesTele on Jun 4, 2020 18:53:50 GMT -5
There are sub-forums for amplifiers and amplifier mods.
This is the guitar and effects sub-forum.
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Post by zenland on Jun 4, 2020 19:06:42 GMT -5
oops!
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Post by LesTele on Jun 4, 2020 19:12:31 GMT -5
I forgot to add a smiley face to my last post. A nice moderator will come along shortly.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 4, 2020 19:30:47 GMT -5
I tried one in a shop years ago when these came out. They work, but they seemed gimmicky. What I ended up doing was plugging my larger amps into a smaller speaker in a smaller cab. Ultimately the trick to less volume is to move less air, and a smaller speaker is a good trick. I learned that playing through my old Fender Champ.
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Post by zenland on Jun 4, 2020 19:49:58 GMT -5
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 4, 2020 20:26:08 GMT -5
Weber and Doctor Z make fine attenuators.
When the Fluxtone first came out (when I tried it), the speaker coil attenuation was adjusted by rotating the round magnet structure on the rear of the speaker itself. This one Paisley is using looks like an update, and I suspect it's because the original design would work only in an open-back cabinet where you could reach in and tweak the thing.
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Post by zenland on Jun 5, 2020 13:46:38 GMT -5
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Post by Leftee on Jun 5, 2020 14:32:38 GMT -5
Yep, the Eminence speakers do work great.
It’s not bedroom level attenuation. But it knocks a bit of volume off.
I rehoused a ‘79 Princeton into a 1x12 cab and used a Maverick. Talk about the perfect pairing! Big Princeton tone for days, and I could dial the volume back with the speaker.
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Post by Leftee on Jun 5, 2020 14:57:17 GMT -5
... and I can’t find the Maverick in their online catalog any more. ☹️
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Post by zenland on Jun 5, 2020 15:41:18 GMT -5
Leftee-That blows! Is there anything else comparable?
Never mind!
I looked!
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Post by pdf64 on Jun 5, 2020 18:57:54 GMT -5
My FluxTone Model 10 is fabulous, tone and response stay the same over a massive range of control. It’s invaluable for tweaking and repairing amps, as it allows me to test / try out at full power anytime, and hear the detail perfectly without deafening myself / setting my tinnitus off, invoking a divorce proceedings, being arrested etc.
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Post by pdf64 on Jun 6, 2020 3:43:02 GMT -5
Weber and Doctor Z make fine attenuators. When the Fluxtone first came out (when I tried it), the speaker coil attenuation was adjusted by rotating the round magnet structure on the rear of the speaker itself. This one Paisley is using looks like an update, and I suspect it's because the original design would work only in an open-back cabinet where you could reach in and tweak the thing. ‘Goo, you maybe got mixed up, the ‘turn the magnet to adjust the speaker sensitivity’ system is Eminence. It has an adjustment range of 10dB, and there’s a noticeable (perhaps significant) change in tone over that range. I think that is due to the magnetic field geometry, as well as its flux density, changing as the permanent magnets are adjusted. The FluxTone system uses a field coil electro, rather than permanent, magnet. The control box is just a variable voltage power supply for the field coil, so it’s simple to adjust the flux density, the range of control is 30dB, and the tone remains consistent, due I think to the field geometry not changing. Plus it can be fitted into a closed back cab. With either system, there’s nothing to interfere with the complex interaction between amp and speaker, or otherwise affect how the amp behaves. So very different to any attenuator or power scaling system. The only viable alternative for me was a reactive load with reamping system, eg Fryette Power Station. But I’m kinda suspicious of expensive SMPS class D gear that I can’t fix.
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Post by Leftee on Jun 6, 2020 5:20:48 GMT -5
To answer your question, Zen...
The Z Airbrake is my current fave in the less-expensive end of the pool. I’ve got one I use with my 50w half stack and it tames it well. I think I paid @$250 for mine - a nice used one.
The Fluxtone is very impressive! I can see how it would be the ultimate solution.
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Post by pdf64 on Jun 6, 2020 11:36:10 GMT -5
Don't want to spend this much money but I do like the tones. $1425 And this is with a 12" Celestion Alnico Creamback speaker. The Model 10 seems to me a pretty good representation of a typical Celestion Alnico / M magnet tone (I've got a lot of speakers!). It doesn't have the 'in yer face' aggression of a Vintage 30 or other 'H' magnet types, more of a cross between a Gold and a G12T75. I think it's actually the cone and basket assembly of a Eminence Man'o War. And it's under $1k; though if you're spending that much and want a Cream, then one school of thought would be that you may as well throw another $500 at it. I think Celestion make FluxTone pay through the nose for their stuff.
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Post by zenland on Jun 6, 2020 12:48:02 GMT -5
Peegoo pdf64 and Leftee-Thank You All for your help. It's very appreciated! I'm going to look and listen some more. Maybe knocking 20/30% off the volume without to much change in tone would be OK?
If that doesn't work then I'm definitely going to spend the bucks!
pdf64-Yeah the under $1K sounds really good. Thanks again.
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