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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 12, 2020 10:13:39 GMT -5
I put this here because it's not an amp. I rescued an ancient Lowrey organ from the trash and removed the rotating speaker baffle unit; the rest was in very sad shape as it had been stored outside for some time. So time to make a speaker cab for it. As you can see from the pics, the thing is basically a speaker baffle board with a Styrofoam drum in front of the speaker that is rotated by a small AC motor and a belt on pulleys. The baffle is horizontal in use so the rotor can shoot the sound out around the room, sort of like how a radar dish works. The speaker under the baffle is an 8" CTS, and I'll run this with homebrew 5F1 Champ amplifier. Fender used to sell something like this; it was called a Vibratone cabinet. Fender was owned by CBS--who also owned the Leslie name. This baffle I have looks almost identical to the Fender unit (probably made by the same plastics company), but theirs was mounted vertically and they used a 10" speaker. More info on the Vibratone here: www.nmia.com/~vrbass/vibratone/I used 1/2" ply for the top and sides. I had originally intended to make a simple box with square corners, but decided to exercise some artistic license instead. I grooved four poplar sticks to serve as exposed corner posts and routed everything smooth for an art deco look. The mismatched wood grain is not an issue because this will be getting a matte black paint finish. I'll put an infinitely variable speed control on it instead of the original 'fast' and 'slow' switch. This cab is 20" long, 17" wide and 14" tall. Perfect for the corner of the living room.
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Post by Tinkerer on Jun 12, 2020 10:57:11 GMT -5
This is just flat out ridiculously cool!!!
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 12, 2020 11:16:37 GMT -5
Thanks brother, but it ain't done yet! I recommend you pass judgment on it when it's done, because there's still plenty of time for things to go all pear-shaped on this project
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Post by Tinkerer on Jun 12, 2020 15:32:12 GMT -5
When it comes to your work, if there were bookies taking bets on the "over/under" - will you exceed and go over expectations, or miss the mark and go under, I'm going all in on the "over" every time!!!
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Bopper
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Post by Bopper on Jun 13, 2020 9:15:43 GMT -5
Hey Peegoo - On another thread a couple days ago you said "I have a really small one that came as a kit from Mahaffey Amps" Is that the Little Lanilei Rotary Wave?
How do you like it?
They still make them...
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 13, 2020 20:54:06 GMT -5
Bopper, yes--that's the one; it came as a kit about 8 years ago. Pretty straightforward assembly, and I covered it with dark green alligator Tolex. The rotating baffle in this kit hangs from the little 12v DC motor and has an infinite speed control. It actually sounds pretty good for what it is. I like it.
Here's Jan Akkerman (remember the Dutch band Focus?); he often uses one onstage when he plays live. Here he has the Rotary Wave mic'd 180 degrees (you can see them on the unit over his left shoulder).
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Bopper
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Motor City USA
Posts: 505
Age: 72
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Post by Bopper on Jun 14, 2020 10:49:02 GMT -5
Thanks. I remember reading about the LL years ago, and thinking it looked pretty cool.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 14, 2020 12:35:00 GMT -5
Whoa...the price has gone way up!
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Post by jazzguy on Jun 15, 2020 19:12:27 GMT -5
Looking good Peegs!
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 15, 2020 20:28:39 GMT -5
Cheers! I can finally get going on this again tomorrow.
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Post by Leftee on Jun 16, 2020 10:08:24 GMT -5
I really should stop poking my nose in threads like this. It’s expensive.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 16, 2020 11:29:21 GMT -5
Did you order one of the Mahaffay Rotary Waves? You're such a FISH! They are pretty cool, and they take up no space at all. Here's the cabinet with the Tolex on it.
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Post by Leftee on Jun 16, 2020 13:03:11 GMT -5
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 16, 2020 19:58:10 GMT -5
I got the cabinet primed, sanded, and primed again. That much closer to being done!
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 18, 2020 14:28:07 GMT -5
Finally had a no-rain day so I could shoot paint outside. This is Rustoleum pickup truck spray-on bedliner. It's got a pebbly texture to it, and when it's completely dry it has a satin surface finish and from a foot or two away it looks like Tolex. And it's a lot easier to apply. It's pretty shiny in this pic because I just shot the 2nd coat on and it's still a bit wet. Lissin UP, bugs! Don't land on this thing for at least 30 minutes or you'll experience the La Brea Tar Pits of the East Coast. Next step (after two days of dry time) will be applying the grill cloth to the four windows, and then install the Leslie board with speaker and rotating drum.
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Post by Cal-Woody on Jun 19, 2020 13:15:50 GMT -5
I saved the drum from an old Lowery organ and it looks similar to yours, so I am interested in seeing how you put this together and how to control it. I think I have the bracket and motor mount but not sure at this moment. The Lowery organ had a 10" speaker and I have a couple of 10's that I can use. So, keep us updated on the whole process and I'll try to copy your design and see if I can make one also. Will need to see your specs and speaker mounting, as well. This ought to be very helpful in planning one out. Yours is looking really tasty!
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 19, 2020 18:45:34 GMT -5
Cheers, Cal. I knocked this out today because the paint was nice and hard. First task was to install grill cloth in all four windows. I used repro early-70's Fender silver stripe, mounted vertically, and I used a trick I came up with years ago to keep the stiff plastic fibers from unraveling from the edge of the cloth. The technique involves marking the cloth sections with cut lines, but before cutting it, run a very thin bead of caulk right along the inside of the cut lines. What this does is bond all the fibers together. When you cut the panels, the cailk line is right up against the outer edges of the cut-out section. It holds it all together very nicely. The little bead of caulk also allows using the nose of the stapler to push against it to gently stretch the fabric before you shoot the staple to anchor it.
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Post by Leftee on Jun 19, 2020 18:47:44 GMT -5
Nice!!!! 😎
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 19, 2020 19:09:51 GMT -5
I learned something very interesting while working on a speed control for this: these little single phase shaded-pole AC motors can be controlled by chopping up the AC sine wave using a MOSFET and a couple transistors and resistors...but only when there's a load (resistance) on the motor. Since this motor is not loaded at all, the MOSFET controller was a no-go, even dialed back to 25% of the sine wave showing on the scope. It still ran full speed. I needed to find a way to dial back the voltage, so I tried a series of 10-watt wire wound ceramic resistors and that did the trick. But rather than making a multi-position switch with multiple fixed speeds, I went the path of least resistance [electric joke!] and found a little rheostat designed for fireplace fan speed control and dimming incandescent lights. It works perfectly and spins the drum from barely moving to about 400 RPM...perfect. It also has a zero-position on/off switch, which really simplified the wiring for this project. This: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07P9DR7SN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00The listing states "d-shaped stem" but it's not. It's a split knurled aluminum shaft identical to a guitar's volume/tone pots. The way you wire it up is everything in series using a two-conductor AC cable. The live wire from the AC cable goes to one of the rheostat leads. The other rheostat lead goes to one of the motor leads; the other motor lead goes to the neutral wire on the AC cable. Could not be more simple, and nothing is polarity-sensitive. Here's a shot of the completed Leslie. It runs great and sounds *fantastic*. It gets that slow Trower swirl and it gets the fast Jimmy Vaughan warble, and everything in between. I'm running it with a Traynor Quarterhorse (25-watt amp built into a little pedal with reverb, delay, tremolo, and clean/dirty channels).
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Post by Tinkerer on Jun 19, 2020 19:11:39 GMT -5
Another masterpiece!!! Absolutely Fantastic!!!
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 19, 2020 19:14:46 GMT -5
Cal, as you can see from my first post, I had all the hardware for the top and bottom bearings of the rotor. The bearings are very simple: little Nylon cups pressed into rubber cups that fit into holes in the steel hardware.
The rotor's shaft is polished steel...I added a little dot of silicone plumbing grease to each bearing cup before I assembled it.
The speaker panel is composition board with an 8" hole cut in it. The speaker mounts on the bottom (using T-nuts on the opposite side) firing upward into the throat of the foam rotor.
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Post by LesTele on Jun 19, 2020 19:19:08 GMT -5
Great looking project.
A rock’n’roll coffee table!
I’m seriously impressed.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 19, 2020 19:20:36 GMT -5
Thanks, Leftee and Tinkerer and LesTele It is the size of a little end table. Heck, I could put a black leather cushion on top and it would be a musical ottoman! I think it may need a little LED or other type of monitor lamp because this thing is super quiet; you don't know it's running unless you shine a flashlight into the grill cloth and see the rotor moving. I wouldn't want to leave this thing on... Here's a short vid of the important parts:
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