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Post by Vibroluxer on Jun 16, 2020 10:40:08 GMT -5
I thought Id make this for all Les Pauls. Funny thing is, I only have double cuts and never really considered them a true Les Paul. But thats what it says on the headstock.
I bought 2 of these on blowout. A single pickup Jr and two 2 pickup Specials. The 2nd special is damaged somehow and is coming today and Im curious about the weight. The Jr weighs in at just over 6 pounds, the Special I have is just over 8 and the one coming today has a package weight of 23.5 pounds! What the heck did they send me? Ill find out soon.
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Post by Leftee on Jun 16, 2020 10:57:04 GMT -5
Is the Special coming in a case?
I’ve got 3 Les Pauls:
‘17 Traditional ‘17 Goldtop Tribute HP ‘13 Tribute w/P90s
Love ‘em all. ♥️
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Post by Vibroluxer on Jun 16, 2020 11:11:18 GMT -5
I got it online from Guitar Center and they didnt mention one. But I'd be happy if it is. Maybe someone shielded the cavity with lead.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 16, 2020 12:19:21 GMT -5
The modern Juniors and Specials are thinner than the originals, which would generally make them more light in weight. "Generally" is a general term because wood density generally varies quite a bit
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Post by Leftee on Jun 16, 2020 12:21:28 GMT -5
How cool would it be to have a 20lb. Junior?!?!
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Post by professor on Jun 16, 2020 12:34:34 GMT -5
The lighter the better. There’s a whole fatigue thing that is eliminated. A strap digging in between the neck and shoulder with all the nerves and muscles there is not good.
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Post by Vibroluxer on Jun 16, 2020 12:40:58 GMT -5
Im not planning on keeping all 3, (or will I?), so Ive not really been playing the 1st 2 because I want to keep them pristine. I want to ABC all them for a day or so once the last one gets here. I know I'll break even on the price.
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Post by Vibroluxer on Jun 16, 2020 14:00:50 GMT -5
Well it came an a little bit ago and there is indeed a blemeish but I certainly wouldnt call it damage. On the back of the neck theres about an 1" long by 1/16th" part where the satin(?) didnt take. It's blue and ya cant feel it. In fact, you'd only see it if you happened to be looking for it. Im pretty happy.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 16, 2020 15:03:37 GMT -5
Outstanding!
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Post by Vibroluxer on Jun 16, 2020 15:08:10 GMT -5
Thanks Gino! Im glad these were talked about in the other thread. Ive had the traditional Gibsons/Gretchs with 2 volume controls, or more, and I just get lost. Im definitely a 1 volume, 1 tone kinda guy.
Has Gibson ever made such a configuration with humbuckers?
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Post by TBird on Jun 17, 2020 6:32:42 GMT -5
I've become a LP guy over the years. My current lineup: 2010 LP Limited Edition (HB/P90), 2015 LP Deluxe (mini HB's), and 2015 LP ES Memphis (57 PAF). Love the thicker sound of a HB for soloing.
The 2 pickup configuration suits my terrible picking technique. With some guitars the strings are closer to the pickguard, and I am constantly tapping the pick on the body. The height of the strings off the body keeps my pick away. A small issue, for sure, but it is a positive thing for me.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 17, 2020 7:27:21 GMT -5
"I'm definitely a 1 volume, 1 tone kinda guy. Has Gibson ever made such a configuration with humbuckers?" Gibson made a production model called the Blues Hawk, usually equipped with P90s. A few had humbuckers: The only 1V/1T double humbucker Les Pauls I've had my hands on were custom orders.
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Post by Vibroluxer on Jun 17, 2020 9:13:49 GMT -5
I remember those! They weren't made for a very long time. Thanks Peegoo.
So while I see advantages to gig bags I prefer a case. I was looking at Les Paul cases on Reverb, they were 199 and up. Yikes!
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jun 17, 2020 9:14:06 GMT -5
My one and only, 2010 50's Trib that I swapped the P90's for Allparts Mini Hums. Scrap wood cobbled together and lovingly finished in orange peel. But I love it.
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Post by RogerD on Jun 17, 2020 9:15:38 GMT -5
My one and only LP is an anniversary model from 2014. It's a heritage cherry burst with a light flame top. Definitely not a lightweight but she sure is purdy.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jun 17, 2020 9:33:45 GMT -5
I love Gibsons but generally find LPs a bit clunky and uncomfortable, but when they're done right, I definitely see the appeal. Unfortunately, when I play one I like, it ends up being $6k+. The funny thing is, to get it how I'd want it, you just need to control the specs. Keep it light, use light hardware, a thicker neck, thinner fingerboard, neck angle not too nuts, and low wound pickups. Keeping the airiness and losing the clunkiness is a big deal for me. None of these things should be all that expensive, but they only bother doing it on the pricy models. Kinda annoying.
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Post by langford on Jun 17, 2020 9:45:07 GMT -5
Question:What's the difference between standard humbuckers and mini-humbuckers? I think the minis look way cool.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 17, 2020 9:47:43 GMT -5
This R8 is 7.1 lbs with a nice fat neck; everything about it is perfect for me, and some days I cannot put the thing down. It is a holy grail Les Paul.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 17, 2020 9:50:07 GMT -5
Compared to full-size humbuckers, mini-hums are generally lower in power and a bit brighter sounding with fewer harmonics because they sample a shorter portion of the vibrating string.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jun 17, 2020 10:13:55 GMT -5
Gahhh, everytime Peegoo posts that LP of his I feel like I need to go find some privacy.
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Post by Leftee on Jun 17, 2020 10:22:40 GMT -5
Gahhh, everytime Peegoo posts that LP of his I feel like I need to go find some privacy. Yeah, and no pictures of THAT, please. That is a great Lester.
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Post by Vibroluxer on Jun 17, 2020 10:53:20 GMT -5
Whew! That *is* sweet!
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Post by Tom B. on Jun 17, 2020 13:44:34 GMT -5
I only have one. I searched for an R8, instead happened across an R7 from an online dealer, open box, that turned out to be a really nice guitar for a good price. Peegoo's flametop is much nicer than most I saw while searching. While I would have preferred an R8 the goldtop has grown on me. Much more guitar than my skills can take full advantage of.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jun 17, 2020 19:24:52 GMT -5
Yeah, that R8 looks like the kind of Les Paul I'd like. I'm convinced something very close could be made for less money (they're solid body instruments, it isn't rocket science...), but they keep the good specs for the expensive ones.
Mini humbuckers are also sized to fit into old p-90 routs. I forget what the reason for this was... I can't imagine designing a new pickup is less effort than making new routing templates.
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Post by LM on Jun 17, 2020 19:56:56 GMT -5
I've owned a couple of dozen guitars but I've never owned a Gibson. The closest I've come is my Epi LP Custom Pro. From what I've read, it's made to the same specs as a Gibby but was built in China.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 17, 2020 20:09:42 GMT -5
"Mini humbuckers are also sized to fit into old p-90 routs. I forget what the reason for this was... I can't imagine designing a new pickup is less effort than making new routing templates." Gibson was not into mini hums until they bought Epiphone in 1957. They moved some of the Epi machinery from NYC to Kalamazoo. Along with the equipment were lots of spares--including Epiphone's stock of mini humbuckers. They decided to use them on Gibson models because they sounded fantastic in several of Epiphone's archtops. But the mini-hums are a little smaller than a P90, so Gibson considered the several ways to integrate them into their designs. They discovered a cheap solution: rout out the plastic cover of a P90 soapbar and it fits the mini-hum like a jacket. It drops right into any Gibson routed for a P90 soapbar. The first LP they issued with this configuration was the Les Paul Deluxe.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 17, 2020 20:22:57 GMT -5
This one is a Les Paul Classic, 1996. I got it from Gil Southworth in 2001 on a trade when he made me an offer I couldn't refuse. I installed Duncan Pearly Gates pickups in it and gigged with it for about three years. Great guitar, but over time the thinner 60s-style neck and slightly heavier weight pushed me toward a Telecaster. Why I still have this guitar, I dunno...I haven't played it in a few years. It could be sentimental reasons because this was my first LP. And it does play and sound fantastic, just like a Les Paul is supposed to sound. It's a beast and it's still in pristine shape.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jun 17, 2020 20:35:17 GMT -5
My 50's Trib had hardware beneath the stock P90's to accommodate mounting the Mini humbuckers.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 17, 2020 21:08:26 GMT -5
Yeah, the plate on many of the P90 soapbar Gibsons is dual-use for P90s and mini hums. Cheaper to have one part in stock than two different ones. The CR8 I have is a peach of a guitar, but it all evens out because I also have this hideous Les Paul Classic Antique Tom Morgan. I got the CR8 to atone for the following sins against good taste and respect for tradition. Gibson made only 400 of these for their Guitar of the Week promotion back in 2007. I found this one hanging on the wall at EM Shorts in Wichita. It had been there for quite some time because the wacky paint job designed by Marvel comic book illustrator Tom Morgan was apparently something that didn't appeal to Les Paul shoppers. I went in there with no intention of buying a guitar, but this one played really well and sounded great with the 57 Classic pickups. The manager asked me how much I liked the guitar and I told him "a lot, but the paint job..." He asked me how much he'd have to knock off the tag for me to walk out with it. I think he was sick of looking at it because he accepted my first offer. I should've gone lower! It's a funny guitar indeed; many of these were bought and subsequently stripped and refinished in a standard sunburst because the tops on these are insanely flamey. They also have a bound fingerboard and headstock, along with the non-standard "frog" inlay (it's not a crown; it's a frog) which makes them look quite 'uptown'. Yeah, it's hideous, but for some reason I like it. It's light too.
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Post by Vibroluxer on Jun 17, 2020 21:47:25 GMT -5
Thats pretty wild! I do like the 57 Classics. I had them on an ED 135. I was looking at those on reverb and just like everything else, way pricey. My curious mind is wondering: How many guitars do you have?
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