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Post by Blacksunshine on Jun 20, 2020 16:00:26 GMT -5
The most interesting thing about this discussion, the same discussion that was going on in the Stratocaster forum of the old FDP back in the mid 2000s, is that I find myself on the opposite side as I once was. If I was still gigging as much as I did back in the day, and still using Strats and Teles, I would seriously consider a relic, if it meant that I could leave my Authenticasters at home and still get a cool look and enjoy the worn in feel without risking my vintage pieces coming up missing. Unfortunately several of guitars are past the point where it makes sense to bring them to a bar or club because of their value. A relic is a good compromise, IMO. Oh, and thanks for my new signature, Auf Kiltre!
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jun 21, 2020 17:40:46 GMT -5
👍😁
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Post by Leftee on Jun 21, 2020 18:55:15 GMT -5
On the old forum the CS had its own sub. I remember visiting and not knowing a single person in there. This after years on the FDP. 😂
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Post by LTB on Jun 26, 2020 3:16:51 GMT -5
I guess I am old fashion in that I cannot seem to appreciate Purple hair, nose and lip piercings, buying new jeans with tears and holes in them for more money and guitars that started out beautiful and then (by unnatural means) get the heck beat out of them, finish sanded in places and hardware soaked in a corrosive solution and have to pay more for it. I don't hate it, just don't get what drives people to buy them in the first place.
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Post by budg on Jun 26, 2020 5:08:58 GMT -5
I guess I am old fashion in that I cannot seem to appreciate Purple hair, nose and lip piercings, buying new jeans with tears and holes in them for more money and guitars that started out beautiful and then (by unnatural means) get the heck beat out of them, finish sanded in places and hardware soaked in a corrosive solution and have to pay more for it. I don't hate it, just don't get what drives people to buy them in the first place. Probably lack of choices. I have a lightly reliced (journeyman relic) 59 CS RI that is by far the best strat I have ever played and didnt pay stoopid money for . From 6 feet away it looks like a brand new guitar . In regard to worn jeans , I bet you are old enough to remember brand spankin new jeans that were stiff as a board and rubbed you raw in all the wrong places while you were breaking them in. Then came "stone washed" jeans that gave you that "broke in " feeling and soon enough thats all you could get . Now people think thats how jeans are supposed to be because most people alive dont remember what brand new jeans used to feel like.
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Post by LM on Jun 26, 2020 7:39:50 GMT -5
I guess I am old fashion in that I cannot seem to appreciate Purple hair, nose and lip piercings, buying new jeans with tears and holes in them for more money and guitars that started out beautiful and then (by unnatural means) get the heck beat out of them, finish sanded in places and hardware soaked in a corrosive solution and have to pay more for it. I don't hate it, just don't get what drives people to buy them in the first place. You said it for me.
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Post by allycody on Jul 2, 2020 0:58:40 GMT -5
The Stratocaster wall in my collection consists of 4 guitars, and hasn’t changed for several years now. The “looker” would probably be my ‘50’s Series Classic in the popular Surf Green finish.
But the “player” for me is my ‘50’s “Roadworn” ‘burst.
Besides the great “relic” feel, and light weight, I have another reason for appreciating the “worn out“ condition of the guitar, and it’s kind of trivial, but no one has mentioned it yet: I love the stress-free handling and not worrying about the guitar sliding over and taking a ding or two when I’m out playing somewhere. It sounds silly, but I consider that to be a great feature.
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Post by Ayns on Jul 2, 2020 6:48:18 GMT -5
^ Me too
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Post by ninworks on Jul 2, 2020 7:40:06 GMT -5
I have never understood the allure of relic'd guitars. Why would anyone pay extra money to have the manufacturer or anyone else mess up a guitar? It is my understanding that they don't play any better than one that isn't. I can't imagine their value being worth any more over a long period of time. It's obviously very popular to do that or the manufacturers wouldn't be doing it.
Even though they may look old, they aren't and anyone who knows about vintage guitars can see that so, what's the attraction? I just don't get it. Does a beat up looking guitar make someone think they are fooling someone else that they played it enough to make it look like that? I think I would be able to tell in an instant from their level of musicianship if that were true.
I'm scratching my head here.
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Post by allycody on Jul 3, 2020 0:52:59 GMT -5
“Why would anyone pay extra money to have the manufacturer or anyone else mess up a guitar?”
To spare myself the heartbreak of being the sad sack who just dropped, knocked over, kicked, or lost my balance during a windmill, and put a big ol’ gash in my pristine sunburst or surf green or daphne blue finish ...?
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Post by LTB on Jul 3, 2020 3:34:49 GMT -5
To spare myself the heartbreak of being the sad sack who just dropped, knocked over, kicked, or lost my balance during a windmill, and put a big ol’ gash in my pristine sunburst or surf green or daphne blue finish ...? I don't understand how this is sparing your heartache of putting a gash in a pristine guitar by paying for a guitar made to look old and used and paying a bit more for it on top of that?
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jul 3, 2020 8:20:31 GMT -5
What I do with my new pristine guitars is beat them with a rubber mallet, slather them with Wilson Glove Oil and put them under my mattress at night.
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Post by Leftee on Jul 3, 2020 17:02:40 GMT -5
What I do with my new pristine guitars is beat them with a rubber mallet, slather them with Wilson Glove Oil and put them under my mattress at night. “Put me in coach...”
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Post by Opie on Jul 3, 2020 18:30:18 GMT -5
Put me in the don't want it relicked,but want it to age/wear as I play it. I"ve had several guitars over 40 years now,and they all show signs of wear,sweat stains, highlights from lovingly being wiped and polished through the years.I've got two newer guitars that have got plenty of hours on them, but with the plastic crud they spray on modern guitars you'd think I just bought it.That stuff is damn near bulletproof. If I'm paying extra,hows 'bout spraying some good old fashioned nitro?
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Post by allycody on Jul 4, 2020 1:32:11 GMT -5
^ Yep. That’s the other thing - on my guitars sporting a big shiny polyurethane finish, they better stay pristine. Nothing looks cool about dinging or scraping poly finishes. As far as “paying extra” for the relic look, I’m not advocating that. But on my 50’s roadworn Strat, I was able to find it used for about five hundred bucks and change, which seems reasonable in the nitro realm anyway.
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Post by LM on Jul 4, 2020 8:28:04 GMT -5
Well said, Ninworks. A fella has a right to do what he wants with his own guitar but it's not for me. I also don't but cars that are pre-dented.
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Post by budg on Jul 4, 2020 9:16:34 GMT -5
Honestly I think other than the price is the lack of choices for non reliced custom shop guitars. Its obvious that it doesnt really add much if any cost to the guitar . What seems to add cost is things like Masterbuilt guitars and things like that. If you wander over to Wildwood and look at CS strats for instance , just about every one of them are in some form of relicing. However , if you wander over to say, Willcutts , they have a fairly decent inventory of non reliced guitars. I remember being miffed a few years back about Fenders Modern C neck. Every dang production had that neck on it and I hated it. I hated the wider nut and to me it felt like holding a plank of wood. I finally found what I was looking for outside of regular production guitars. The new looking old thing is just a recent trend in society. Distressed furniture, cowboy boots, jeans ,cars , the whole thing . The fact that it came over to musical instruments should be of no suprise. Just vote with your wallets .
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Post by stratcowboy on Jul 4, 2020 10:29:10 GMT -5
The new looking old thing is just a recent trend in society. Indeed, you mention jeans. Personally I can't stand it when my jeans get holes and loose-thread cool. I like my jeans to work as intended--as pants! My ranch jackets are for functional use carrying tools, fixing fences, etc. They do get worn through from being around fencing or working with a chainsaw, etc. When they start to get worn, they just catch on barbed wire and tools more easily. It's a pain. But when they get that worn, threadbare, cowboy-chic look to them, I have no problem offing them with women I know who just love the look. I prefer an intact ranch coat to be functional while out working. Nobody sees me but the horses and cows, anyway!
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