So I had an SG back in the mid 70s and don’t remember a lot about them. I was into Frank Zappa and thought they were cool. Nowadays I’m looking into lighter weight Gibson’s and the SG has gotten my attention. I played a Standard at GC today and really like how it felt. Very ergonomic and lightweight. Liked the neck . Didn’t care for the soft shell gig bag with something that expensive. I think I’d really like to try the 61 Standard but no one has them. I am considering having them ship one in.
What do you guys think of the SGs and what should I know? And I love Ac/Dc and love Derrick Trucks of ABB.
Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jun 27, 2020 15:20:47 GMT -5
I think they're great. If anyone approaches them as a Les Paul alternative, they're going to be disappointed, and that likely it where the hatred comes from. Their tone sits in a band mix really nicely, I think. Definitely underrated.
Personally, a good SG to me has a medium to thick neck to compensate for the length, and when using humbuckers, has the pickups on rings so they'll be at least close to parallel with the strings. Lightweight tuners are a good idea to help fight neck dive. Not really a fan of extra hardware options like trems on SGs.
Investing in a hard case is something I'd do. The ones specifically designed for SGs are kinda cool because they're so much smaller. Gig bags are best for guitars without angled pegheads.
I'm not qualified to tell anyone anything about the Gibson SG. However, as I have posted before on Moe's 2, my late brother and I used to jam on Beatles songs with our younger brother every year when our families got together in the Christmas season. And he had a different Beatle guitar every year. Since Beatle George had an SG at about the time they recorded "Paperback Writer," my brother had an SG one year.
Of all the guitars he brought with him, all the Gretsch models, the Rickenbackers, the Rocky Strat, the Rooftop Telecaster, the SG had the best tone (to my ears). It was really a great-sounding guitar!
Good information. I’m not really expecting a LP tone . As an owner of a 335 , all double hum guitars have their own thing. I do like the idea of strapping a guitar on that weighs less than 7 lbs . The players that play them I have always liked their tone. The 2 that I have my eye on are similar , but different. The Standard is the only one available locally. I did like the neck , but I still would like to play the 61 Standard to compare.
I'm finally starting to warm up to the looks of the SG. The couple I've played were great guitars though, somehow airier or snappier (or something) than a LP. For now I'm gonna have to continue to not rock...
I don't personaly like playing them because of their unbalanced "neck dive" on a strap, but with the right amp they make some serious mojo. Gibson't '61 reissue, the production version, is one of their best bang for the buck guitars.
Great info guys. Blacksunshine, I’ve been rockin with a 335 for some time now. I think the SG will allow me to rock just a little harder though. Leftee, that is one nice gold top you have.
Re the neck dive, I hear that from some other guys. My 335 is attached the same way, but I’ve never heard or encountered neck dive from that. Any idea why? Maybe more mass on the 335 body? I’m also thinking the vintage tuners on the 61 would help with that.
I can't quote any weights, but I recently replaced a set of 80's Rotomatics with a new set of grover Gibson-style tuners on my les paul. Holding the sets in my hands, I couldn't discern any real difference.
If you're the type that plays guitar on a strap while standing up and your style involves not holding the neck with one hand, then perhaps neck dive is a problem. But that handle is there for a reason [ sarcasm intended].
For me, an SG is a different sort of beast from a Strat, Tele, LP, etc. I have one and I don't play it enough, because it is a really great guitar; the different feel causes me to play a little differently than I do on another guitar. If you're looking to shake things up a bit with your playing, try an SG. They can do sparkly clean and they can do raunch and metal and everything in between.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jun 27, 2020 22:55:11 GMT -5
The weight stuff really comes into play if you decide you absolutely need locking tuners or something. I'd advise against that inclination for a variety of reasons, but the weight thing is one part of it. SGs have almost no body, and that is why the weight is so insignificant. They're so thin they need right angle switches in the cavities, and the outer profile is tiny. If I had one with rotomatics on it, I don't think I'd go out of my way to put lighter weight tuners on, unless I happened to have a set lying around. If I was starting from scratch (had a guitar with no tuners at all for some reason) I'd go for something very light, but that is normally my inclination anyway. With the exception of trem blocks, I find that the lighter the hardware the better the tone. Just my opinion.
I like sirWheat's description of their tone. I also agree with Peegoo... they have the odd quality of kinda sounding equally good anywhere on the fingerboard, so I find myself focusing on my playing in a slightly different way. Other guitars, and Fenders in particular, tend to have different qualities in different registers, but the SGs feel good all over.
Another fun fact about SGs: the neck pickup is in a different position than in a Les Paul or 335. This is because having it in the normal place would rout out too much of the neck tenon and leave it weak, so it is a bit closer to the bridge than normal.
I'm slightly biased. I had an Epiphone as a teenager and sold it. Some day I'll fix that and have an SG in the stable again, but I just haven't made it happen. I too have a 335, but it is a different animal. I play so infrequently these days it wouldn't make sense, but if I was playing more, especially in a group, I'd probably be picking one up.
I really like my SG Standard a lot! Great guitar with great tone. I like the binding on the neck of a standard more so than unbound neck of the SG Faded model I had as there is absolutely no fret sprout to deal with. As far as neck dive I do not experience that as I hold my instruments at a 30 degree angle upward.
Post by Blacksunshine on Jun 28, 2020 7:39:05 GMT -5
If you guys are trying to tempt me into buying this beautiful Sparkling Burgundy SG Special from Sweetwater, it won't work!
Nope, not gonna work. I have way more self control than to be influenced by these threads.
I don't need another new Gibson. Just because my only SG isn't a real one, I won't be pressured into spending money on a Gibson version, with gorgeous Sparkling Burgundy paint. Man what a nice color though. And a demo too! I mean look at that discount, they're almost GIVING it away.
And it comes with a real case, instead of the leather gig bag that the Juniors come with.
But......I don't need another Gibson. Right now. I don't think. Do I?
EDITED: Oops, its actually the Tribute that comes with the gig bag.
Actually the Standard comes with a gig bag too. I talked to GC yesterday and I couldnt upgrade to a case unless I just bought it seperately and took the hit. But that one you sent the link to is gorgeous ! Damn my eyes!