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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jul 12, 2020 19:25:19 GMT -5
I've tried to get an answer from a cc instructor, my sheriff deputy across the street and an email to the Texas Department of Public Safety Regulatory Services Division. So far my answers have been "well, on the one hand..". I'm still waiting on a response from DPS.
My Florida CC license is good until 2023. I have notified Florida of my move to Texas. There is reciprocity between Florida and Texas. Due to the pandemic I couldn't get my Texas driver's license until mid June. Finding CC classes during this time ain't easy either. So, I'm curious how it would play out if I had a traffic stop, presented my Texas DL and my Florida CC. It sounds like I might just get lectured about needing my Texas CC license, but that is contingent on the disposition of the LEO I suppose. There is no duty to inform in Florida (never got stopped but I think I would anyway), but there is DTI in Texas.
Any of you ever dealt with this? I've had someone tell me that technically my Fla license should be sufficient in any state of reciprocity until it expires, but that came from a non-LEO.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 12, 2020 19:37:52 GMT -5
There is reciprocity so they are obligated to accept your Florida CCW license in Texas.
That said, I would hope the LEO doing the traffic stop would be aware of the reciprocity and you would have no problem.
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Post by K4 on Jul 12, 2020 19:52:49 GMT -5
I'd give these guys a call and they would know the answer or be able to tell you who to call in TX.
I've gotten questions answered by them and I am not a member.
I edited out monday since they are 24/7
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 12, 2020 19:56:15 GMT -5
I'd give these guys a call Monday and they would know the answer or be able to tell you who to call in TX.
I've gotten questions answered by them and I am not a member.
Actually, the answer is right on their website. Texas Gun Laws |
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Post by K4 on Jul 12, 2020 20:01:36 GMT -5
Concealed carry is legal for residents with a Texas LTC and for non-residents with a concealed carry license/permit from a state that Texas honors.
The problem is he is now a Tx resident with an out of State permit. The way I read that sentence he is not covered.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 12, 2020 20:08:01 GMT -5
Yes, I stand corrected. He can open carry but not concealed carry.
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Post by stratcowboy on Jul 12, 2020 20:18:18 GMT -5
When the officer confronts you with this, just make sure you have your mask on.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 12, 2020 20:19:23 GMT -5
^ His orifices are definitely required to be concealed!!
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jul 12, 2020 20:39:00 GMT -5
I did an on line chat with USCCA. This was the response;
"The Division of Licensing in Florida does need you to submit information to them on your changed address for the permit to still be considered valid (already done). In such a case I do believe you would be able to do so. The state of Texas does recognize residential Florida permits as long as you are 21 years old."
They did go on to suggest I contact Texas DPS, which I did and so far am hearing crickets. I just gotta find an open slot in one of the local classes.
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Post by K4 on Jul 12, 2020 20:59:37 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure if you are respectful and the reason for the contact was minor, any Officer will acknowledge the fact Covid screwed everything up.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jul 12, 2020 21:07:20 GMT -5
"There is reciprocity so they are obligated to accept your Florida license in Texas.
Right.
But also this:
Texas law requires drivers to obtain a TX DL within 90 days of establishing a residence within the state. You got one, I assume.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 12, 2020 21:08:25 GMT -5
I reviewed the text of the actual reciprocity agreement, and it says absolutely nothing about residency. It just says that each state gives full faith and credit to the license from the other. Reciprocity Agreement |
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jul 12, 2020 21:12:26 GMT -5
Yeah Peegoo, I did get my Texas DL finally. The 90 days thing was being put off because the DMV was closed, but I'm current there in that regard.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 12, 2020 21:12:33 GMT -5
I also read that the classes can be taken online, though the shooty part still has to be done in person, of course.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jul 12, 2020 21:27:51 GMT -5
Everything I've read on TX state Websites says they "honor non-resident permits" (reciprocity) for LTC/CCW. This means if you are a resident of Florida, your LTC/CCW is good in TX. As soon as you change residency to TX, the FL LTC/CCW is no longer valid for TX. Click here to download a PDF; look at the bottom of page 1: www.handgunlaw.us/states/texas.pdfInterestingly, there is no license necessary to conceal a weapon in a personal vehicle in TX. |
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 12, 2020 21:59:06 GMT -5
“Non-resident permits” are issued by Texas to people who are not residents of Texas. That’s not the same thing as reciprocity.
The only thing I am certain of here is that the OP had good reason to ask the question, because the answer is not clear.
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Post by reverendrob on Jul 12, 2020 22:07:19 GMT -5
Given COVID, I'd call the local cop shop and ask them if you can't get any other advice.
I haven't been able to get ID or anything after my recent move.
What I'm doing, well, I'm a pacifist who wouldn't dream of owning a firearm so...
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jul 12, 2020 22:07:45 GMT -5
This bring Al to mind. *Language*
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Post by K4 on Jul 13, 2020 0:48:11 GMT -5
The confusion comes from him being a Tx resident and having an Fl permit. This was an issue in Ky because you needed to declare residency in a time frame (I'm not sure of it and don't want to search, but it is a small window) and then needed to be a resident for 6 months to apply for said permit.
AFAIK it was never settled due to our now constitutional carry law.
Most likely safe but get it transfered to Tx as soon as possible.
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Post by LTB on Jul 13, 2020 3:01:45 GMT -5
I also read that the classes can be taken online, though the shooty part still has to be done in person, of course. That is correct! I took the class method but several took the online first then were there when us class folks got the shooting part done. You would think that the state of Texas would honor and transfer a Florida license..but what do I know, I just lived hear all my life  |
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Post by JDC on Jul 13, 2020 4:44:19 GMT -5
Not a CC question but something else was brought up in this thread that I've been curious about. When you renew (or get for the first time) your drivers' license in a new state, how does that work with Covid restrictions? Mine is good for quite a while so, hopefully, we'll be past this by then but if I DID need to update/renew I'd still feel a bit uneasy about going into the DMV and putting my face in one of those eye tests machines that who knows who has been using minutes beforehand.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jul 13, 2020 8:28:31 GMT -5
Not a CC question but something else was brought up in this thread that I've been curious about. When you renew (or get for the first time) your drivers' license in a new state, how does that work with Covid restrictions? Mine is good for quite a while so, hopefully, we'll be past this by then but if I DID need to update/renew I'd still feel a bit uneasy about going into the DMV and putting my face in one of those eye tests machines that who knows who has been using minutes beforehand. When our DMV reopened it was by appointment only. I made the appt on line, got a reservation number, arrived and had my temp taken before entering. Mask required. I had prefilled all my paperwork which I had downloaded from their site. I don't require glasses for distance anymore (thanks cataract surgery!), so my vision test was "stand here and read line 3". Any waiting was social distancing. About the only thing I came in contact with was the screen to read my 2 thumb prints (when did the DMV start doing that?). It was all fairly straightforward. And yes, I took my mask off for the pic.😷 |
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Post by Larry Madsen on Jul 13, 2020 9:41:51 GMT -5
For whatever it's worth to the discussion, Florida issues Florida CCW permits to non-residents. For years I carried Nevada, Florida and Utah permits. For me, as a Nevada resident, the three maximized my reciprocity across the USA.
I eventually dropped the Florida permit because the reciprocity available with the Nevada permit improved enough that the Florida permit was not really expanding anything from me. Early on virtually no state honored the Nevada permit because Nevada honored no other state's permit. I have a Nevada and a Utah permit I carry currently.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jul 19, 2020 13:15:00 GMT -5
Update for those interested in such matter in the state of Texas.
This was my email to Department of Public Safety, as recommended from multiple sources (including law enforcement).
"Comments: Hi, I have moved to Texas in March, secured my Texas driver's license in June. I currently hold a valid concealed carry license issued in Florida. Due to the covid situation I have yet to take a class for a Texas concealed weapons permit. Would my Florida permit be honored if asked to present a license by Texas law enforcement?"
Their response
"Thank you for using the Regulatory Services Division’s website.
We would like to assist you in this matter but are not authorized to interpretations of the law.
Regulatory Services Division staff is qualified to answer questions regarding applications for a License to Carry. Laws regarding the licensing and proper use of a handgun license may be found at License to Carry Laws and Selected Statues or view our Reciprocity Agreements.
Inquiries regarding interpretation of these or related laws about this issue should be directed to your attorney or local law enforcement."
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Well, doesn't matter. Completed my course yesterday. All in all Florida is a much more 2A friendly state IMO, which surprises me.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Jul 19, 2020 13:28:31 GMT -5
^^ Yeah. As in most states, the firearms laws are written to jam up as many law abiding citizens as possible. And the judges are standing by to make sure actual criminals don't have to bother with them.
I'm happy to see that you didn't give up. I hope you celebrate by buying a few more guns.
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Post by Blacksunshine on Jul 19, 2020 15:54:45 GMT -5
You can hold a Florida permit and live in Texas.
As a matter of fact, lots of Texas residents get their Florida permit and don't ever get a Texas one. Reason being, the Florida permit is accepted in several states that don't accept the Texas permit. My friend holds a Florida permit and carries in Texas legally. He has never lived in Florida.
That said, unless I'm missing something else, the only issue you may have is the address on your Florida permit still has your Florida address listed. Get that changed to your Texas address and you're good to go.
EDITED to add:
Just to be perfectly clear, you DO NOT have to live in Florida to hold a Florida permit. Texas residents do it all the time.
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Post by Blacksunshine on Jul 19, 2020 16:00:16 GMT -5
All in all Florida is a much more 2A friendly state IMO, which surprises me. Yep, that's why as I mentioned, lots of Texas resident don't even bother with the Texas permit and go right for a Florida permit. The Florida permit is accepted in more states. |
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jul 19, 2020 16:15:21 GMT -5
That said, unless I'm missing something else, the only issue you may have is the address on your Florida permit still has your Florida address listed. Get that changed to your Texas address and you're good to go. Yep, Tallahassee has been notified of my new address as required and I just noticed that my Fla license does NOT have my address on it. Looking it up at the Fla.gov site they stopped printing addresses on the licenses in 2010. Oh well, 2 are better than 1 and the class was worth it just for the education in the various differences in penal codes (specifically TX 30.06/30.07). |
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Post by Larry Madsen on Jul 19, 2020 16:31:16 GMT -5
Just to be perfectly clear, you DO NOT have to live in Florida to hold a Florida permit. Texas residents do it all the time. Yes, and as I stated a few posts prior. I held a Florida permit (as a Nevada resident) until a couple of years ago when it no longer offered me anything more than my Nevada plus Utah permits. Glad to hear you have it figured out and handled Larry.  |
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Post by K4 on Jul 21, 2020 17:25:17 GMT -5
When I lived in Louisianna I was offered a job at a Houston steel mill. I declined the offer due to Tx laws. It is not a friendly State at all for CC and other things.
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