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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 10, 2020 17:11:06 GMT -5
It could be worse, but I'm still struggling not to call someone a dick.
The main quibble is they want the dishwasher replaced because it leaked upon inspection. They want it removed, inspected for water damage/mold and then installed. It didn't leak yesterday, nor any day since November 2013. Already replaced 2 smoke alarms even though they both work. Need to plant a "canopy tree" in front per HOA requirements. Buyers want two Venetian blind adjustments fixed in our lanai, I don't know how that'll be done with the age of these crappy blinds. Lastly, need to install 3 GFI outlets.
I guess I'll get my chance to be "that guy" when I find a home in Texas I'm interested in. Gahhh, I hate this process.
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 10, 2020 17:33:34 GMT -5
Can't you just say no? Is the market so soft you can't find other, more reasonable buyers?
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 10, 2020 17:39:42 GMT -5
Can't you just say no? Is the market so soft you can't find other, more reasonable buyers? Condos move pretty fast here and I suppose we could brush them off, but truthfully I'd fear buyers who were even more demanding. A/C unit is 14 years old, etc. I figure all in all we'll cave and put this behind us.
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Post by Shoes on Jan 10, 2020 17:40:56 GMT -5
Just say no or say "I'll knock $500.00 off of the price of the house and we'll call it good". We had to do this when we sold ours I think we knocked $1300.00 off because they wanted a radon unit in the basement. One thing we did was hire our own inspector to look the place over before we put in on the market so we would know what kinds of things we might run into.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 10, 2020 17:47:31 GMT -5
Just say no or say "I'll knock $500.00 off of the price of the house and we'll call it good". We tried but they don't want to deal with the repairs themselves.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 10, 2020 17:51:38 GMT -5
In my professional opinion the GFIs and smoke detectors, which may be required by code, are reasonable requests.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 10, 2020 18:31:16 GMT -5
In my professional opinion the GFIs and smoke detectors, which may be required by code, are reasonable requests. We have 2 smoked detectors, 1 hardwired and one 9v wall mount. They claimed the hard wired one was not operational and made conditional we replace both. I already did. Before I removed the old hardwired one I tested it and it beeped. Which is why I feel they're being kind of "Richardish". We initially agreed to an $1800 provision for repairs, I think this all will be less. I just anticipated we'd give the mopes the allowance and let them do it, but I guess we will be at their service.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 10, 2020 19:27:36 GMT -5
A lot of the time this sort of nit-picking is actually the work of the buyer's agent. Many realtors "coast" through the process, so when it comes to final arrangements prior to sale, the agent turns up the heat on the seller to prove to the buyer they're earning their commission.
I've experienced this on both sides of a transaction. Even as a buyer, I had an agent tell me they thought the seller should do A and B and C before we settled. I told him, "no--not worth the hassle because we're satisfied with everything. We don't need their last drop of blood to close this deal."
Buying or selling a home is no different from a military battle; both sides take casualties despite winner/loser status.
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Post by Dr Bass MD on Jan 10, 2020 19:42:24 GMT -5
Don’t blame the buyers. Blame your agent for not going over anything that might come up in the inspection, or suggesting an inspection prior to listing. You’ll be in the other that fence soon. Things have changed. Wait till you get to Texas. You’ll be glad the inspections are so thorough. Insist on a home warranty, if the listing doesn’t already include it.
Where are you from, and which part of Texas are you coming to?
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 10, 2020 19:45:55 GMT -5
Here in New York, we usually don’t even go to contract until after the inspection has been done. Anything that needs to be worked on gets worked out and included in the contract. If either side is not satisfied, you don’t make the deal.
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Post by Dr Bass MD on Jan 10, 2020 19:47:18 GMT -5
Here in New York, we usually don’t even go to contract until after the inspection has been done. Anything that needs to be worked on gets worked out and included in the contract. If either side is not satisfied, you don’t make the deal. *Like*
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Post by Leftee on Jan 10, 2020 19:49:15 GMT -5
In my professional opinion the GFIs and smoke detectors, which may be required by code, are reasonable requests. I agree - in my less than professional opinion. Plant a tree too. The rest of the stuff is a negotiation.
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Post by MJB on Jan 10, 2020 19:59:29 GMT -5
Unless you are legally obligated, I would simply tell the buyer to adjust his offer for the house "as is".
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Post by LTB on Jan 10, 2020 20:11:27 GMT -5
A lot of the time this sort of nit-picking is actually the work of the buyer's agent. Many realtors "coast" through the process, so when it comes to final arrangements prior to sale, the agent turns up the heat on the seller to prove to the buyer they're earning their commission. I've experienced this on both sides of a transaction. Even as a buyer, I had an agent tell me they thought the seller should do A and B and C before we settled. I told him, "no--not worth the hassle because we're satisfied with everything. We don't need their last drop of blood to close this deal." Buying or selling a home is no different from a military battle; both sides take casualties despite winner/loser status. When selling our 2nd home in 1999 and buying present home their agent waited until we were there at closing and hit us with “we want you to remove all the ivy from the back wall of our house”. Upon that and being inexperienced My wife, Realtor and I went to house we were selling and spent 2 hours or so pulling it off the wall. I retrospect we would now have said NO and moved on if needed. That being said, I agree with Peegoo, replacing smoke alarms is not unreasonable. Personally I might agree to pulling the dishwasher out, checking for mold but tell them they will have to get a new dishwasher if necessary.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 10, 2020 21:15:10 GMT -5
Where are you from, and which part of Texas are you coming to? Originally from Michigan, now in Ocala Fla, heading to west side of Houston. We moved to Fla 6 years ago, a year later our son in Houston started making grand babies, so...
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 10, 2020 21:20:51 GMT -5
A lot of the time this sort of nit-picking is actually the work of the buyer's agent. The buyers are going through our agent. He is going to take on some of the cost of the dishwasher.
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Post by Tequila Rob on Jan 10, 2020 22:25:37 GMT -5
It could be worse, but I'm still struggling not to call someone a dick. The main quibble is they want the dishwasher replaced because it leaked upon inspection. They want it removed, inspected for water damage/mold and then installed. It didn't leak yesterday, nor any day since November 2013. Already replaced 2 smoke alarms even though they both work. Need to plant a "canopy tree" in front per HOA requirements. Buyers want two Venetian blind adjustments fixed in our lanai, I don't know how that'll be done with the age of these crappy blinds. Lastly, need to install 3 GFI outlets. I guess I'll get my chance to be "that guy" when I find a home in Texas I'm interested in. Gahhh, I hate this process. I inspected homes for 30 years and finally called it quits....the aggravation of having to deal with stuff like this was an every day occurrence... it turns into a power struggle...buyer thinks they're paying too much and seller thinks they're house is perfect....
curious about the dishwasher...at inspection it leaked but then it didn't?....if your house was built prior to GFCI's being needed in certain locations, then you are not obligated to install them.
in the end, it boils down to how much you want to put this behind you and press on.. to a degree, I can't fault the inspector because he's trying to protect his client (and himself!)...I've worn those shoes man!
personally me, I would tell them to pound sand...
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Post by rickyguitar on Jan 11, 2020 2:59:27 GMT -5
We will be going through thus again within a year. You have my sympathies. This too shall pass.
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Post by JDC on Jan 11, 2020 4:22:31 GMT -5
"if your house was built prior to GFCI's being needed in certain locations, then you are not obligated to install them"
Tequila Rob,
I think you are right. It must be a location specific code thing. I'm in southern Arizona and, although I didn't demand it, the inspector who went through this place prior to my taking possession listed some items as things that needed to be done before the sale closed. I think there were (among other things) four GFCI's installed as a result of that.
When my mom sold the house where I grew up (near Seattle) she sold it "AS IS" for this very reason. It was built in the 1950s and bringing it up to code would have been a nightmare.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 11, 2020 8:12:54 GMT -5
Our condo was built in 1992. There is an unused GFI in the garage that didn't pass inspection (apparently didn't trip), so they piggybacked the 2 additional GFIs on to the repair. This couple apparently own or owned a hotel somewhere out of state, I suspect their demands are driven by that experience. Like Rob inferred, we're ready to just get this done and move on. We both hate the process of showing and selling. We got very close to our asking price so a little concession is ok, I just wish we had taken a "as-is" approach to the sale in the first place. And the biggest thing that bugs me is the "leak" on the dishwasher. It almost makes me wonder if during the test cycle one of the buyers deliberately poured water on the floor to make it look like a leak. The home inspector lingered long after everyone was gone and was very chatty. It was clear he was annoyed by them and stated they were tag teaming him during the inspection with interruptions. Whatever.
Rant over.
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Post by budg on Jan 11, 2020 8:35:36 GMT -5
Chris has the right idea. Hire an inspector before you put it on the market. That way there are no surprises and you will know when you are getting scammed. This and the mortgage approval process can be the worst part of selling and buying a house.
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Post by Dr Bass MD on Jan 11, 2020 8:47:37 GMT -5
Where are you from, and which part of Texas are you coming to? Originally from Michigan, now in Ocala Fla, heading to west side of Houston. We moved to Fla 6 years ago, a year later our son in Houston started making grand babies, so... Ours is a similar situation. Originally from Ohio, and followed our kids to Austin. Our first grandchild arrived last May. I do have a Michigan connection - working for a company based in St. Joseph.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 11, 2020 8:56:27 GMT -5
And the biggest thing that bugs me is the "leak" on the dishwasher. It almost makes me wonder if during the test cycle one of the buyers deliberately poured water on the floor to make it look like a leak. Rant over. If it had never leaked while I was there, I’d ask them to meet you there and run it. When it didn’t leak, I’d say “nothing to see here”.
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Post by swampyankee on Jan 11, 2020 8:56:57 GMT -5
My wife and I are realtors, me part time. I've been through plenty of negotiations based on the results of home inspection. The key word here is "structurally or mechanically deficient". The dishwasher leak needs to be addressed, the blinds no. Mold has become a big scare these days, and home inspectors love to put the fear of mold in people's heads, even just by stating that there may be mold due wet conditions caused by a leak. It complicates what would normally be a straightforward repair. A wet spot was found in the ceiling of an alcove when we sold our old Victorian. The roof repair was quoted at about $500, but because the inspector suggested there "might" be mold due to the moisture, the buyers wanted $12000 off to pull down the whole ceiling and fix any mold. We knew there wasnt because we knew the leak had just happened but we couldnt prove it, so we had to negotiate. That's real estate for ya.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 11, 2020 9:50:55 GMT -5
We had a non traditional change of ownership in our last house, which we lived in since 1990. I was 30 the last time I actually sold a house with a realtor and actual showings. Half a lifetime ago. 60 and still making rookie mistakes...
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Post by Tequila Rob on Jan 11, 2020 11:32:53 GMT -5
My wife and I are realtors, me part time. I've been through plenty of negotiations based on the results of home inspection. The key word here is "structurally or mechanically deficient". The dishwasher leak needs to be addressed, the blinds no. Mold has become a big scare these days, and home inspectors love to put the fear of mold in people's heads, even just by stating that there may be mold due wet conditions caused by a leak. It complicates what would normally be a straightforward repair. A wet spot was found in the ceiling of an alcove when we sold our old Victorian. The roof repair was quoted at about $500, but because the inspector suggested there "might" be mold due to the moisture, the buyers wanted $12000 off to pull down the whole ceiling and fix any mold. We knew there wasnt because we knew the leak had just happened but we couldnt prove it, so we had to negotiate. That's real estate for ya. You nailed it man....the mold thing is, well...just what it is. For some reason modern humans survived for 35,000 years with it and now its a huge deal right?.... I hated the questions people would ask about it...mostly due to just being misinformed.....the inspector is afraid of being sued if he doesn't mention it when their client finds out after the fact that its present....good grief!!...what a nightmare...there isn't a house that doesn't have mold to some degree
After the market crashed in 2008, I saw a lot of homes that had the most disgusting mold in them..most of them were foreclosures...it was sickening.
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Post by Tequila Rob on Jan 11, 2020 11:38:03 GMT -5
"if your house was built prior to GFCI's being needed in certain locations, then you are not obligated to install them" Tequila Rob, I think you are right. It must be a location specific code thing. I'm in southern Arizona and, although I didn't demand it, the inspector who went through this place prior to my taking possession listed some items as things that needed to be done before the sale closed. I think there were (among other things) four GFCI's installed as a result of that. When my mom sold the house where I grew up (near Seattle) she sold it "AS IS" for this very reason. It was built in the 1950s and bringing it up to code would have been a nightmare. "AS IS"...it always amazed me that people didn't know what that means when buying a house..lol......they would still ask for repairs...most of them just silly stupid stuff.... I would always caution them about asking for repairs because when you ask, you've immediately lost control of who does them, and unless you're very specific, you get crappy repairs....seen it way too many times.....(sigh)...I'm sooo glad I don't do it any more....
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Jan 11, 2020 12:01:39 GMT -5
A lot of the time this sort of nit-picking is actually the work of the buyer's agent. Many realtors "coast" through the process, so when it comes to final arrangements prior to sale, the agent turns up the heat on the seller to prove to the buyer they're earning their commission. I've experienced this on both sides of a transaction. Even as a buyer, I had an agent tell me they thought the seller should do A and B and C before we settled. I told him, "no--not worth the hassle because we're satisfied with everything. We don't need their last drop of blood to close this deal." Buying or selling a home is no different from a military battle; both sides take casualties despite winner/loser status. When selling our 2nd home in 1999 and buying present home their agent waited until we were there at closing and hit us with “we want you to remove all the ivy from the back wall of our house”. Upon that and being inexperienced My wife, Realtor and I went to house we were selling and spent 2 hours or so pulling it off the wall. I retrospect we would now have said NO and moved on if needed. That being said, I agree with Peegoo, replacing smoke alarms is not unreasonable. Personally I might agree to pulling the dishwasher out, checking for mold but tell them they will have to get a new dishwasher if necessary. We bought and sold this summer and fall. In both cases we had binding agreements by the time we closed. Also, here the seller doesn't have to be at closing. The people were bought from were not out the evening before closing. We gave them the option to pay a penalty but the scrambled to get out. The buyers on our house wanted us to pay for a new range because it made noise when the oven was running... the same fan sound it made from day one. Even though it took 3 months to get the first offer, we just said no. They bought anyway.
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Post by ECS-3 on Jan 11, 2020 14:04:46 GMT -5
I just sold my house last summer. The buyer had a home inspector come in and he prepared a 10 page report on stuff that should be fixed. I said no to all of it except for radon remediation. Nothing else was a code violation, safety problem, or HOA violation. My agent advised me to fix most of the stuff listed. I refused. My house sold anyway.
I view some of those home inspections as a way for the buyer to get 2 bites at the apple. First they negotiate price. Then they try to negotiate price again after the home inspector gets done.
Anyway my house sold with a minimum of fixing on my nickel at a price I was happy with.
FWIW my attitude on home ownership has changed thru the years. I no longer view owning a house as in "investment".
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Post by LTB on Jan 12, 2020 2:07:46 GMT -5
When selling our 2nd home in 1999 and buying present home their agent waited until we were there at closing and hit us with “we want you to remove all the ivy from the back wall of our house”. Upon that and being inexperienced My wife, Realtor and I went to house we were selling and spent 2 hours or so pulling it off the wall. I retrospect we would now have said NO and moved on if needed. That being said, I agree with Peegoo, replacing smoke alarms is not unreasonable. Personally I might agree to pulling the dishwasher out, checking for mold but tell them they will have to get a new dishwasher if necessary. We bought and sold this summer and fall. In both cases we had binding agreements by the time we closed. Also, here the seller doesn't have to be at closing. The people were bought from were not out the evening before closing. We gave them the option to pay a penalty but the scrambled to get out. The buyers on our house wanted us to pay for a new range because it made noise when the oven was running... the same fan sound it made from day one. Even though it took 3 months to get the first offer, we just said no. They bought anyway. Yes, in retrospect we should have said no. Also, In 1999 Hurst Texas we were required to be at closing however the we the seller and they the buyers were there at two separate times that day. Due to our not saying no we had to leave, take care of the issue then return that afternoon.
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