swampyankee
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Post by swampyankee on Sept 8, 2020 13:01:02 GMT -5
We've been trying to keep our local economy alive by going out to dinner and such. At certain places we are required to write down our name and phone number on a "guest list" at the door. So how does that work?
Can we expect a phone call from the establishment if it was found that another patron or someone we were in close proximity to tested positive for COVID? If so, will we be required to get tested as well, and/or quarantine?
If we test positive are we supposed to call the establishments that we visited and let them know that others who signed in about the same time as us may have been exposed to the virus? BTW, they may have these guest lists ordered by date, but I never saw anyplace where a specific time of day was recorded for our visit.
Not meaning to start controversy, but I'm trying to understand the logistics of how these guest lists will be used to provide contact tracing.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Sept 8, 2020 13:10:06 GMT -5
I haven't seen anything like that going on here. Been out to eat (outdoors) quite a few times and nobody is tracing anything.
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Post by Leftee on Sept 8, 2020 13:18:53 GMT -5
Not seeing that here at all.
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Post by moose0130 on Sept 8, 2020 13:34:52 GMT -5
There isn't a lot of structure around this in general so most businesses are left on their own to manage as well as they can - to the degree there is structure it is unique state to state.
I think you have the general idea correct. A simple scenario would be: staff person finds out they are positive. They do their best to determine when that contracted it and how many days they have been at work. Take the list for those days and give everyone who had potential exposure a heads up. There are lots of scenarios and there are a lot of potential loopholes. But, even if 50% effective it serves to mitigate risk.
The business that I work at has locations throughout the country but one of our largest facilities is in Virginia. When we identify a case we report to the state and they will conduct the formal contact tracing. We do internal tracking and contact tracing to facilitate the official process - in our case everyone coming in and out is logged as well as movement through to different parts of the facility (e.g. warehouse vs office vs. common area etc.)
As I said above, none of this is foolproof. The goal is to mitigate as much as possible whenever possible.
Luckily the facility I have referenced has had only 5 cases so far (low relative to the population) all have been traced to external source, none have transmitted to others within the facility and all have experienced mild symptoms and been able to return to work fully healthy.
We are pouring money into this to achieve this result but it is the right thing to do.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Sept 8, 2020 13:57:51 GMT -5
Early on they talked about an app for contact tracing that would keep a log of everyone you were near based on communication between their phone and yours. Proximity and duration. The idea was that you could enter into your app if you were diagnosed and it would automatically notify those that were at risk based on the proximity and contact time parameters.
If everyone used it,it would work really well. The issue, of course, is that you can't force people to install it and there are obvious concerns about privacy and the ability to collect and distribute additional data.
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Post by fkaJimmySee on Sept 8, 2020 16:48:06 GMT -5
In the UK, to which we are trying to return, I understand you get a bar code or one of those square symbolly-thingees on your phone, and there's a reader that scans it when you enter an establishment. Then they know who was there if they need to get in touch. That's all second-hand, but seems like a good system to me.
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Post by Leftee on Sept 8, 2020 16:51:53 GMT -5
The tracking functionality is built into iOS.
Settings>Privacy>Health
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Post by Mfitz804 on Sept 8, 2020 17:11:31 GMT -5
The tracking functionality is built into iOS. Settings>Privacy>Health And less stress, “built in” means available, not compulsory. A few people didn’t get thAt distinction when it was announced.
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Post by rok-a-bill-e on Sept 8, 2020 17:19:10 GMT -5
We were in Colorado last month and most restaurants asked for a first name and phone number so that they could call you if any of the staff tested positive.
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Post by RufusTeleStrat on Sept 8, 2020 17:19:37 GMT -5
Again this could get political but here goes. The entire contact tracing seems like government over reach and certainly seems like a 1984 scenario at best. Even with this info it will not prevent transmission, and some people are completely asymptomatic.
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Post by rickyguitar on Sept 8, 2020 17:25:30 GMT -5
I dont think anyone really has a full grip on this but people doing what they can is certainly better than people doing nothing. I have to wonder what the turnover rate is for the people calling around trying to connect the dots.
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Post by langford on Sept 8, 2020 21:58:05 GMT -5
I haven't been out much, but here in Toronto the protocol (since the reopening of bars and restos) is to give contact info when you enter. The largest strip club in the city recently had an exposure issue and had to contact 500 customers. Only 150 had given their real names and phone numbers.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Sept 8, 2020 22:27:35 GMT -5
I haven't been out much, but here in Toronto the protocol (since the reopening of bars and restos) is to give contact info when you enter. The largest strip club in the city recently had an exposure issue and had to contact 500 customers. Only 150 had given their real names and phone numbers. b Somewhere there’s a stripper making multiple phone calls to try to locate Ben Dover, Sal Ami, and Oliver Klothesoff.
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swampyankee
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Post by swampyankee on Sept 9, 2020 6:46:27 GMT -5
I haven't been out much, but here in Toronto the protocol (since the reopening of bars and restos) is to give contact info when you enter. The largest strip club in the city recently had an exposure issue and had to contact 500 customers. Only 150 had given their real names and phone numbers. b Somewhere there’s a stripper making multiple phone calls to try to locate Ben Dover, Sal Ami, and Oliver Klothesoff. LMAO! You had me at "...strip club had an exposure issue.."
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