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Post by slacker 🐨 on Sept 23, 2020 8:01:11 GMT -5
Our roof was damaged in the derecho last month and we finally got roofing crew in to replace the shingles. Almost all the houses in my neighborhood have had roofs redone either due to hail or derecho damage. The longest any of them took was two days.
Our house has a bigger roof than many because it's a ranch, but not even close to twice the size. These guys move like congress. It took an entire day to remove the shingles and put down the paper on the backside of the house. Most crews would have had that side completed in a day.
Not a huge deal....weather has been great, but the constant noise and hassle of them and their dumpster in the driveway is a PITA.
Sorry, just wanted to vent....first world problems and all.
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Post by swampyankee on Sept 23, 2020 8:16:46 GMT -5
We had the roofs done on the house and barn when we moved in 1 year ago. The barn went as planned but they found 4 and 5 layers (!!) in sections of the house. It took them 3 days longer than planned. They weren't too happy since they were coming from further away. We ended up tipping them by a few hundred for the extra trouble.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Sept 23, 2020 8:25:06 GMT -5
I guess one way to look at it is that its not a job you want them to rush through...
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Post by Leftee on Sept 23, 2020 8:30:44 GMT -5
That is a long time for a roof. Usually 2 days at most.
FWIW/IMO most contractors are lousy project managers. I don’t know if this is the case here.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Sept 23, 2020 8:36:07 GMT -5
Wow, this is worse than I thought. I thought they just had some shingles to lay, roof vent to install and clean up. No...there's a whole section on the north end (not tied into any other part of the roof) that they're just tearing off now.
As far as I know, there's no unforseen issues, they're just slow as heck.
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Post by jhawkr on Sept 23, 2020 9:22:20 GMT -5
Our house isn’t very large so I was surprised when it took 5 days to complete. Figured out that the roofing company had several other jobs in work and only worked on our house 2-3 hours a day at the end of the day. They did tear off all the old roofing and apply plywood 1st to bring the roof to code. They filled the dumpster once and had to empty it and bring it back.
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Post by gato on Sept 23, 2020 9:31:03 GMT -5
My roofer showed up with a truckload of bilingual workers, who swarmed over the roof of my three bedroom house, like bees in a beehive.
Day one: taken down to the wood, all repairs made.
Day two: new shingles, and then the swarm went around the perimeter of the house, picking up every nail and tiniest piece of materai.
25 year guarantee. (And the place is still in business these 18 years later!)
Took 10 days for the City to do their final inspection.
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Post by fkaJimmySee on Sept 23, 2020 10:02:11 GMT -5
I guess one way to look at it is that its not a job you want them to rush through... ...... also not a job I'd ever want to do myself. |
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Post by Mfitz804 on Sept 23, 2020 10:04:20 GMT -5
I guess one way to look at it is that its not a job you want them to rush through... ...... also not a job I'd ever want to do myself. For sure. Even if I could do it in 5 days, which I couldn’t, there’s almost 100% chance I’m falling off the roof sometime during those 5 days. |
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Post by Leftee on Sept 23, 2020 10:19:20 GMT -5
...... also not a job I'd ever want to do myself. For sure. Even if I could do it in 5 days, which I couldn’t, there’s almost 100% chance I’m falling off the roof sometime during those 5 days. Look on the bright side. You’d have a great injury case against yourself. |
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Post by Mfitz804 on Sept 23, 2020 10:23:02 GMT -5
But he who represents himself has a fool for a client. And an attorney, I guess, they never mention that part.
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Post by Leftee on Sept 23, 2020 10:26:43 GMT -5
But he who represents himself has a fool for a client. And an attorney, I guess, they never mention that part. I’d think it would be hard to collect, too. |
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Post by Taildragger on Sept 23, 2020 10:28:51 GMT -5
My last one took 3 days:
Day 1: tear-off
Day 2: sheathing/papering (roof sheathing thickness was not up to current code and there was some water damage to facia and rafter tails, repairs/replacement and sheathing thickness augmentation were needed)
Day 3: new shingles
New gutters were handled by a separate contractor about a week later.
The contractor was really busy so we had 2 different crews doing the work over the 3 days. The guys who did the tear-off were professional and efficient. The guys who came on the second day to install the sheathing were sub-standard, looked like day-laborers and spoke almost no English. They missed nailing lines, punched a bunch of shiners around the rafter tails, etc.. Not surprisingly, the building inspector deemed their efforts "no bueno". I told the job foreman to being back crew #1, which he did the next day. They corrected crew #2's screw ups and did an excellent job of laying the shingles. Crew #2 needed remedial training and a willingness to display a bit more pride in their craft.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Sept 23, 2020 10:31:34 GMT -5
But he who represents himself has a fool for a client. And an attorney, I guess, they never mention that part. I’d think it would be hard to collect, too. Not really, I would just have to go to the ATM, take out money, and then put it back. |
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Post by Leftee on Sept 23, 2020 10:37:05 GMT -5
I’d think it would be hard to collect, too. Not really, I would just have to go to the ATM, take out money, and then put it back. You’re settling too low. You need to rake you over the coals. |
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Post by Mfitz804 on Sept 23, 2020 10:51:45 GMT -5
Not really, I would just have to go to the ATM, take out money, and then put it back. You’re settling too low. You need to rake you over the coals. I will not rest until I have every last penny that I own. |
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Sept 23, 2020 11:05:19 GMT -5
So far for us:
Day 1: supposed to start "after lunch". Dumpster dropped off at noon. Crew showed up about 3:30, dropped off some gear, looked around a bit and left.
Day 2: Tear off shingles on back side of house. Apply some of the pape. Leave the place a disaster.
Day 3: Finish with paper, shingle about 75% of back. Leave the place a disaster. I picked up wrappers, pieces of trim. Found flashing, two razor blades and 8 nails on my driveway. Also found nails and tear-off debris inside my air conditioner.
Day 4: Finish shingles on back, begin south side (3 car garage). Tear off, apply paper and 90% shingles. Place was pretty clean. Only had to pick up a few shingle wrappers. No nails found.
Day 5: Tear off front of house, apply paper and 90% shingles. Mostly clean, no time to look for nails.
Day 6: Finish front, tear off, paper and apply shingles to north side segment that has not roofline connected to the rest of the roof. This is today. We'll see if they finish. They need to finish the shingles, do ridge vents and clean up. There is still a lot of debris on the roof (trimmings from new shingles, wrappers, etc.).
The company we went with touted themselves as a cut above the rest. I'm not pleased.
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Post by modbus on Sept 23, 2020 11:10:25 GMT -5
How big is the crew? After Ike blew through many years ago, we had to have our roof replaced. The outfit we went with advertised same day on and off, which they did. The crew was pretty big, though, like 10 guys.
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Post by Leftee on Sept 23, 2020 11:10:32 GMT -5
That is one half-assed way to roof.
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Post by RufusTeleStrat on Sept 23, 2020 11:24:23 GMT -5
Well I had my front two valleys pull and stack barrel tile and reset with two new layers of paper and new valley liners. Two days and I went to Vegas to avoid the noise. I had photos from the job process and warranty. 5+ days for a asphalt shingle roof is ridiculous, but its too late to change it at this point.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Sept 23, 2020 11:50:04 GMT -5
How big is the crew? After Ike blew through many years ago, we had to have our roof replaced. The outfit we went with advertised same day on and off, which they did. The crew was pretty big, though, like 10 guys. It's been about 7 people, but two look like teenagers who are mostly gofers (did see one applying the paper on day 2 though). I've seen a lot of roofing crews and usually they are the hardest working bunch. These guys just seem to take their time with everything. That alone wouldn't bother me, but the poor cleanup at the end of the day puts their pride in workmanship in doubt. |
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Post by rangercaster on Sept 23, 2020 13:40:19 GMT -5
I have worked on a few roofs, and it is not fun ...
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Post by Leftee on Sept 23, 2020 13:47:51 GMT -5
I’d also be concerned over how many flat tires I’m going to have in the coming weeks.
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Post by Sharkie on Sept 23, 2020 14:54:40 GMT -5
I’d also be concerned over how many flat tires I’m going to have in the coming weeks. Yep. Consider sweeping your driveway. I had my roof done a few years ago and although the crew went over the it with a magnet, I still found a few old roofing nails and flashing screws. |
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Post by Taildragger on Sept 23, 2020 15:01:43 GMT -5
I’d also be concerned over how many flat tires I’m going to have in the coming weeks. Yep. Consider sweeping your driveway. I had my roof done a few years ago and although the crew went over the it with a magnet, I still found a few old roofing nails and flashing screws. During our remodel/re-roof, I went over our driveway each evening (after the contractors had left for the day) with a tool similar to this:
I was surprised by how many I had missed with just a visual inspection. Roofing nails seem to be especially proficient at puncturing tires.
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Post by Leftee on Sept 23, 2020 15:08:57 GMT -5
... and with *THIS* crew...
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Post by BobbyMac on Sept 23, 2020 18:33:10 GMT -5
We have dozens of roofing outfits in my area as it is well known for high winds and hailstorms. Last year we contracted with a local roofer to replace our damaged roof with a new Class IV roof. The workers showed up at 8:00 am and were completely finished by 4:00 pm. That included hauling off the old shingles and tar paper, and doing the metal detector thing to gather up any errant nails. Our house is rather large so this was a big job, though no plywood needed to be replaced on the roof. I was absolutely amazed at the work ethic of every single roofer to have completed such a stellar job in such a short time!
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Post by K4 on Sept 23, 2020 22:05:33 GMT -5
My neighbor just had his roof redone, My guess is 2300 square feet.
The non English speaking crew showed up at 6AM and had the entire roof done and cleaned up by 5PM
I got the foreman's phone number.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Sept 24, 2020 8:40:45 GMT -5
Well, they finished up about 3 pm yesterday....sort of.
They still have a tarp piled with debris (10' x 10' x 4') at the back of the driveway.
Found a number of nails and garbage around the yard and driveway: beverage bottles, taco bell salsa packets, a bunch of plastic strips etc.
Definitely would not recommend this crew. Unfortunately for them, there's a facebook group for recommending businesses that will get a negative review.
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Post by jhawkr on Sept 24, 2020 8:54:13 GMT -5
Go to Harbor Freight and get a magnetic FOD sweeper. Go around the entire periphery of the house. You’ll be amazed. I do it every year at least once and still get the odd roofing nail.
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