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Post by moose0130 on Sept 24, 2020 22:49:57 GMT -5
Interested in opinions on the damaged nut on this guitar: reverb.com/item/33468185-gibson-61-sg-reissue-2019About the 6th picture in is a close up shot of the nut and binding. Looks like it took a hit. Seller claims it came like this from Sweetwater which... well, that seems surprising given the care I have seen from Sweetwater in the customer service. If I could get this for a little bit less it is tempting but I also don't want to be messing around with something that will require attention. Interested in some perspective. |
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Post by DrKev on Sept 25, 2020 3:51:53 GMT -5
Not a great photo for small details like that but it looks like a chip and crack in the clear coat and I don't think it's a structural issue. But I'm also concerned about the nut work. Is that how Gibson do nuts these days? Look at that back angle!
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Post by Riff Twang on Sept 25, 2020 3:57:07 GMT -5
That looks more like a crack than a scratch to me, and so you may be right about it taking a hit.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Sept 25, 2020 10:15:56 GMT -5
But I'm also concerned about the nut work. Is that how Gibson do nuts these days? Look at that back angle! It is, unfortunately. They also get carried away with sanding down the top profile and leaving nothing to bite the strings. I work in tandem with a Gibson dealer, and I've had to replace nuts on brand new instruments when they're so low that there just isn't enough material to get the slots up where they won't buzz without the strings popping out. This has happened at least a couple times in the past year or so. It was on "Custom Shop" instruments, too. Regarding the damage, it looks to me like a combination of the finish coming off, and a dirt smear. The finish coming off is typical. The nut is installed before finish and it never adheres all that well to the side of the nut, and it will flake off in some say, each one doing so in a slightly different way. Some comes off during the initial assembly as tape is removed and the nut is shaped. More moves as the instrument settles since the nut, the neck barrel (the mahogany), the peghead overlay, the fingerboard and the binding all move around in slightly different ways. If it did take some damage and what I think is a dirt smear is a ding on the side of the nut, I'd call it strictly cosmetic. It doesn't get close to the nut slot, and corian tends to crumble rather than fracture on impact, so I don't see it being that big of a nuisance. |
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Post by Leftee on Sept 25, 2020 11:18:28 GMT -5
I just looked and my 2020 Dot’s nut is shaped like this one.
My 2017 Trad is not. The strings ride the entire slot.
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Post by moose0130 on Sept 25, 2020 11:52:21 GMT -5
But I'm also concerned about the nut work. Is that how Gibson do nuts these days? Look at that back angle! Regarding the damage, it looks to me like a combination of the finish coming off, and a dirt smear. The finish coming off is typical. The nut is installed before finish and it never adheres all that well to the side of the nut, and it will flake off in some say, each one doing so in a slightly different way. Some comes off during the initial assembly as tape is removed and the nut is shaped. More moves as the instrument settles since the nut, the neck barrel (the mahogany), the peghead overlay, the fingerboard and the binding all move around in slightly different ways. If it did take some damage and what I think is a dirt smear is a ding on the side of the nut, I'd call it strictly cosmetic. It doesn't get close to the nut slot, and corian tends to crumble rather than fracture on impact, so I don't see it being that big of a nuisance. Thanks @funky - that’s wonderful insight. Might make a play on this. |
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Post by LTB on Sept 25, 2020 19:29:31 GMT -5
Would it be appropriate to offer him $1400 in event you have to have a new nut cut?
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Post by LTB on Sept 25, 2020 19:38:26 GMT -5
Funky "If it did take some damage and what I think is a dirt smear is a ding on the side of the nut, I'd call it strictly cosmetic. It doesn't get close to the nut slot, and corian tends to crumble rather than fracture on impact, so I don't see it being that big of a nuisance." Do you think the line that runs from the "crackline" on the nut up at a 45 degree angle on the neck binding is dirt also?
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Post by Wish on Sept 25, 2020 21:05:41 GMT -5
Why don't you ask the seller if he can take a better close up picture (in focus) of the problem area?
It's really hard to tell what is going on from that pic, as the side of the nut, is not really in focus.
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Post by Wish on Sept 25, 2020 21:08:20 GMT -5
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Sept 26, 2020 11:53:14 GMT -5
Nah, that line is just a split in the finish. It likely has some dirt rubbed into it making it more visible, but it is just the finish trying to flake off. Worst case scenario that piece will fall out, and no one will ever notice until someone takes another close up picture of it in good lighting.
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Post by jefe46 on Sept 26, 2020 21:05:55 GMT -5
The nut is cracked/broken.
Offer less or pass.
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Post by hushnel on Sept 27, 2020 11:58:47 GMT -5
I agree the nut looks cracked and it’s in line with the face of the headstock overlay, which could indicate it is a crack at the nut. It may never be a problem but certainly use it to lower the cost. A picture of the headstock side of the nut could possible show if it’s a crack.
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Post by Leftee on Sept 29, 2020 9:30:22 GMT -5
The listing sold.
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Post by moose0130 on Sept 30, 2020 18:18:58 GMT -5
I could never quite get myself to a place where I felt confident in pulling the trigger. I am not by nature hesitant to make decisions so if i find myself perseverating it is usually for a reason, even if I can’t name it. Open questions in my mind included the issue with the nut but extended beyond that as well. Hopefully the nut is a non issue and someone picked up a nice guitar at a fair price. appreciate the insights by the crew here at Moe’s. People say bad stuff about the Moe’s regulars but I always say “Sure, they are a bunch of nogoodnik’s, hooligans and miscreants but they are as kindly a bunch of deviants as you’d ever be afraid to meet in a dark alley” |
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Sept 30, 2020 22:30:35 GMT -5
they are a bunch of nogoodnik’s, hooligans and miscreants I'm proud to be in such good company. Seriously. We have some pretty damn fine people here. |
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Post by moose0130 on Sept 30, 2020 22:50:09 GMT -5
they are a bunch of nogoodnik’s, hooligans and miscreants I'm proud to be in such good company. Seriously. We have some pretty damn fine people here. agreed. I lurked around for about 15 years at the original FDP, earned maybe a handful of stars along the way. good crew all around. |
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Post by hushnel on Oct 1, 2020 9:11:34 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s a fun group and talented, I’ve meet a bunch of us. Some I haven’t meet face to face but I’ll still send them a gourd on occasion.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Oct 3, 2020 19:51:25 GMT -5
Yup. Only board where I bother posting. I like having these discussions from time to time, but in most other places I just get someone arguing with me about things that are clearly wrong, because they thought they read it somewhere so it must be true. There are a couple other good ones, but Moe's is the one that has been consistently low drama.
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