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Post by hushnel on Oct 24, 2020 9:00:55 GMT -5
Frets and fretless? I do, when I completed my first home made bass (fretless) I played it exclusively for 5 or so years. I had an offshore fretless Jazz bass at the time and sold it to my neighbor. At 8 years of age I started with violin, then cello for a short period of time, then the upright. Never had a problem with intonation. In fact there are colors/tones in between the frets that can be useful. I’ve got three basses out at the moment, all fretless, coincidently they are all home made. Two are 30” scale the other 20” which can be a little tough to nail intonation but a few minutes of warm up and its fine. Tuning is pretty crucial, but when it starts going out just roll the finger a bit to nail it.
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Post by themaestro on Oct 24, 2020 10:18:09 GMT -5
I have a MIM Jazz fretless that I play at home for fun, but rarely play it out. I should brush up some and take it to my big band rehearsals, whenever that happens. I'm not real confident of reading and staying intonated at the same time. I had been playing a Line6 Variax 705 modelling bass, so I could use the Kay upright modulation. It's not a dead on emulation, but it gives a nice upright vibe in a big band setting.
My pop band requires 5 strings for some songs. I hate swapping instruments in a set, so I just pick one of my fivers and use it the whole night.
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Post by morrow on Oct 24, 2020 10:21:04 GMT -5
Upright and electric .
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Post by jeffscott on Oct 25, 2020 20:10:20 GMT -5
Been doing so since 1976.
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Post by windmill on Oct 25, 2020 20:38:31 GMT -5
Have never tried a fretless.
Been looking for a cheap one, Squier has a one but it has jazz bass electrics. I was hoping to get precision one, as I already have a jazz bass.
But one day I try one out.
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Post by matryx81 on Oct 25, 2020 21:51:30 GMT -5
Yes.
I like the flavors of both.
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Post by LTB on Oct 26, 2020 1:07:00 GMT -5
I love the sound of Cello and Violin. Couldn't play one if I tried, well I did try a violin one time of 50 years ago and it was painfully excruciating to listen to. Have only played a fretless once. I was in a local music store checking out some basses for a cousin. One was an Ibanez that played nicely. I played it without effort then as I was putting it up I realized it was a Lined fretless. Guess I was looking at the fretboard with lines LOL. I suspect I would have issues playing an unlined Fretless but would learn over time. I do not own one though. Also, I highly respect those who read and play by music. I am very slow at it and almost entirely play by ear.
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Post by twangmeister on Oct 26, 2020 7:05:52 GMT -5
I've had a few fretless basses in the past. Nowadays I only go fretless on the rare occasions I'm playing URB
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Post by hushnel on Oct 26, 2020 8:55:42 GMT -5
I really don’t think that the fretless is difficult to play. It may seem a little intimidating at first but if your fretless is the same scale as your fretted bass 15 to 20 minutes ought to have you dialed in.
I’ld love to be able to play the upright, the damage I did to my left hand back in 2012 may be a problem. As I’ve mentioned before my hand surgeon did and said every thing he could to convince me that the damage to my hand would make it impossible to play any instrument. However it may impede my ability to play the upright, the few times i gave it a try it wan’t too much of a problem, but that’s not any real indication of actually using the instrument. I’ve been looking for a rental or to borrow one for a month to really check it out. I’m not sure I could play the same bass lines I can on the guitar style basses. Around here most upright players are doing folk and mountain music, which I think I could handle, but for more than a half hour I don't know.
If you’ve ever tried to play an Ashbory or a fretless Kala (uke) type bass, it’s not hard at all to nail intonation, you’d think it would be with the shorter scale length. One thing I have noticed, I don’t get as many guys asking to sit in when I’m playing fretless.
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Post by LTB on Oct 26, 2020 13:19:05 GMT -5
I really don’t think that the fretless is difficult to play. It may seem a little intimidating at first but if your fretless is the same scale as your fretted bass 15 to 20 minutes ought to have you dialed in. maybe that is the reason it wasn't difficult. That and the fact since in my mind I thought it was a fretted instrument I didn't tell myself I couldn't play it
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Post by MoJoe on Oct 26, 2020 13:54:51 GMT -5
Squire fretless jb with a laurel fingerboard, love it to death. Didn't expect it to grow on me like it did, small neck and all, but when I feel the need to practice or play along, the fretless comes out most of the time. I've been a complete sucker for that sound since when.
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Post by morrow on Oct 26, 2020 13:55:09 GMT -5
I play upright , and also have an Ashbory , intonation is tricky on the Ashbory in the upper register . My little uke bass with frets is much easier ...
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Post by hushnel on Oct 27, 2020 10:07:30 GMT -5
“ in my mind I thought it was a fretted instrument I didn't tell myself I couldn't play it”
Usually we don’t play “on” the fret, we finger somewhere between two frets or the nut and fret. When you played the lined fretless most likely your fingers just shifted to the point of intonation, the lines probably just removed the stress or second guessing. The fretless really isn’t difficult. On my home builds I just have side markers at the point of intonation. I’ll play the set “in tune” to find out at the break that the bass was out of tune, making the micro adjustments unconsciously.
On the 20” scale, or what ever the Ashbory is, it does get squirrelly past the 7th or 9th fret, just rolling your finger can be a 1/4 to 1/2 step. Their fun, I wish I would of kept mine. It was those silicone strings I lost patience with. Not long after it was gone, I meet Owen Holt and his Pahoehoe strings. Though now I’m using the Aquila “Thunder Gut”, they don’t seem quite as tacky.
Victor Wooten convinced me their is no such thing as a wrong note, it’s what you do next that either makes it work or crashes. Fundamentally it comes down to not screwing up the groove, keep the beat play whatever note you want in transition, make your way back to the root. It takes some practice but it works. A while back at a rehearsal we had just finished a tune, Brownie, our mandolin/vocalist, was staring at me, he asked me “what was that Jazz rif you threw in there” I didn’t know what he was talking about, then recalled that at one of the bridges I screwed up, I started laughing, I wasn’t aware of of what I did until Brownie pointed it out. I said to Brownie, if you hear me breaking into a jazz it’s just me screwing up and trying to find my way back home. In a serious voice he said you need to do more of that. Thank you Victor.
RIP Brownie, miss you brother.
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Post by Laker on Oct 28, 2020 17:35:09 GMT -5
I had a pair of Lakland 55-94 quilted amber Deluxe basses, one fretted and one fretless. The fretless sat in a case next to my desk for 20 years and seldom was touched. I never had the demand (or desire) to haul it out to play a fretless gig so it was sold to a good friend in Florida who played with my blues mentor, Bryan Lee.
I also started with violin (third grade) and after doing that for a couple of years switched to sax. When I finally picked up a Fender Precision bass in 1960 I knew I’d found my instrument, but was too lazy to really ear train at that point. Now I’m too old to really give a rat’s patoot.
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Post by LTB on Oct 29, 2020 3:54:46 GMT -5
I also started with violin (third grade) and after doing that for a couple of years switched to sax. When I finally picked up a Fender Precision bass in 1960 I knew I’d found my instrument, but was too lazy to really ear train at that point. Now I’m too old to really give a rat’s patoot. Glad you found your way to the low end Laker. Wife plays sax. I started on guitar(mediocre at best) and in 2004 found bass and fell in love and been down hill ride from there. I found my niche so to speak. At my age I too don't really care to devote the time to anything but a fretted bass
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Post by MoJoe on Oct 29, 2020 4:07:41 GMT -5
I had to trust my instincts when buying a fretless, not being overconfident, at all. But the urge was strong, that sound was haunting me since the late 70s and I had to give it a go. Beginning was easy enough with fret markers on the Squire, that lately rather seem to get in the way somehow. Being the same scale as my precision bass was probably key to intonation. Part of the fun is building tone with the fb having quite a different and vague vibe to it when it's more of a casual hit and run with frets. I remember my guitar teacher being an ace upright bass player too but didn't care much then, snotty brat that I was fifty years ago. Ear training we did from the beginning, so grateful cheers to the good man, wherever he may be now.
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Post by LTB on Oct 29, 2020 6:07:41 GMT -5
Being the same scale as my precision bass was probably key to intonation I can see that would be key
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