krrf
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Post by krrf on Dec 31, 2020 12:43:21 GMT -5
I had my parents over to my house for the holidays and it was mostly fun. Both of them seemed to want to update me on the health status of their friends and distant relatives. This seems to be a trend with most older folks in my life, so I wonder if it's just a natural tendency to look at health and death as you get older and it becomes more real. I was respectful and turned the conversation to more pleasant topics besides my 2nd cousins failing bladder. If you are one of those geezers that does that... what the heck man?
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Post by Leftee on Dec 31, 2020 12:55:46 GMT -5
I’ve become aware of our drift into this sort of conversation. I’ve been steering myself away from it.
Yes, it’s real.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Dec 31, 2020 12:59:53 GMT -5
With three of my closest friends and relatives, all my age (within 1.5 years) being currently dead.
Yes, this sort of thinking crosses my mine now and then.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Dec 31, 2020 13:08:59 GMT -5
The elderly tend to live sedentary lives. So they'll talk about the biggest news affecting them and their circle, which is usually health related.
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Post by Ricketi on Dec 31, 2020 13:27:33 GMT -5
yes, what Auf says. When ever I call my mom that is the main topic every time .
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Dec 31, 2020 13:33:37 GMT -5
I noticed this happening too when talking to my brother. But then again how do you not talk about his heart attack and a possible surgery I was facing? Not saying that it's reflected in this discussion but there is a stigma that follows old(er) people. If they're not talking about their health (or the health of their loved ones) they're reminiscing about the glory days of yore. It's hard getting older and not being made sport of.
Now get off of my lawn. And speaking of lawns, I think mine has some kind of fungus and I went to Lowe's and talked to the man but...
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Post by Taildragger on Dec 31, 2020 13:34:42 GMT -5
I don't know how old you are, but I'll offer this perspective from my age (71). Old people tend to get preoccupied with health issues because their own deterioration is, if not on-going or immediately imminent, at least visible on the horizon. The failing health of their contemporaries is a constant reminder of this. The older one gets, the more difficult it becomes to ignore the fact the "time is running out". Maybe what you see as a compulsion to discuss unpleasantness is, at least in part, "venting" to relieve their own general anxiety.
Keep in mind also that more than just concern about their personal, immediate health can be involved. Both our actual friends and our contemporary, cultural icons provide a contextual backdrop for our own, personal identities: when they start to sicken and die off with increasing frequency, this can be disconcerting and even somewhat disorienting.
Myself, I try to neutralize such thoughts with dark humor, but some find that offensive. Everyone deals with these issues differently. I'm sure that, if I should be diagnosed with a terminal illness tomorrow, I'd find it more difficult to just "laugh it off".
Difficult as it may be, try to empathize with their state of mind if only by letting them talk, maybe dropping in an occasional "well, at least you're doing well". As irritating as you may find their apparent obsession with misfortune, I suspect you'll understand how they feel a lot better when you get to be their age.
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Post by LTB on Dec 31, 2020 13:40:26 GMT -5
I talk to my 94 year old dad who has terminal cancer on almost daily basis and he will answer my questions but almost always says “ I’m doing fine son”. I can usually tell by the tone in his voice how he really is..
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Post by gato on Dec 31, 2020 13:59:20 GMT -5
I'm 73 1/2 and have a laundry list of faulty bodily mechanisms. But when someone asks, "how are you doing," I just say "fine." My wife knows every ailment of every member of her extended family, and insists on informing me, whenever one of them has a Depends blow out. She gets impatient with me for not quizzing my son (by e-mail) about his health. "How is he doing?" I say, "OK I guess, he hasn't mentioned anything lately." "You don't ask?" "Nah, we talk about movies we're seen."
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Dec 31, 2020 14:05:56 GMT -5
When I moved to a 55+ community in Florida I wasn't even 55 yet. I'd say the average age was probably 2 decades ahead of me. While it can be excruciating watching the elderly fail (we lost a lot of family, friends and acquaintances in 6+ years), you can learn a lot if you listen. And yes, even the health stuff. These folks really were like a pre-surgical counseling when the time came to get my cataracts done.
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Post by Mikeyguitar on Dec 31, 2020 14:18:08 GMT -5
...can learn a lot if you listen. And yes, even the health stuff. These folks really were like a pre-surgical counseling when the time came to get my cataracts done. Good point and so true. My wife - at the tender age of 60 - already seems to be one of these people. Me? I refuse to look at life that way. But who knows how I'll look at things further down the road?
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Post by Leftee on Dec 31, 2020 14:34:04 GMT -5
This RA bull crap has got me doing this more. I have to watch myself.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Dec 31, 2020 14:34:54 GMT -5
The elderly tend to live sedentary lives. So they'll talk about the biggest news affecting them and their circle, which is usually health related. Yup. And the weather, even when they have no intention of leaving home.
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krrf
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Post by krrf on Dec 31, 2020 15:24:11 GMT -5
I think it's totally fine to talk about your own health, but I'm referring to the trend of telling me about some distant relative with an ailment. It's like they have become preoccupied with health and everything relating to it. My parents still have a pretty active life, so it's strange to hear it. I guess I'll have to wait and see if that conversational fate happens to me in my golden years!
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Post by LTB on Dec 31, 2020 15:43:01 GMT -5
At 681/2 I would be a list of issues but people really don’t want to hear them. I want in 2021 to focus on the positive. I mean after this year it has to be better(hopefully)
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Post by Buster on Dec 31, 2020 17:13:10 GMT -5
I find that the older folks I am around talk about two things - their health and the last really good meal they have eaten.
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Post by windmill on Dec 31, 2020 18:48:52 GMT -5
Noticed this when i was young, when I first met my father in law. Every conversation would become him talking about what was wrong with him. A lot of older people do it , as has been said, they just dont have much else in their life to talk about. no one asks about my health, so I dont need to tell them.
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Post by Leftee on Jan 1, 2021 17:00:29 GMT -5
Have you guys seen my hemorrhoids lately?
I can’t find them.
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Post by LTB on Jan 1, 2021 22:02:39 GMT -5
Have you guys seen my hemorrhoids lately? I can’t find them. Lol, they’re in your ear silly 🤣😉
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 2, 2021 13:07:09 GMT -5
Have you guys seen my hemorrhoids lately? I can’t find them. TTIUWP.
No, wait: I retract that assertion...
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Post by cagey on Jan 2, 2021 14:07:38 GMT -5
I call it "the organ recital". "My kidneys, my lungs, my heart etc..."
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 2, 2021 17:14:09 GMT -5
I remember my mom bemoaning the realization she was becoming "one of them". I think it is inevitable, like cats just showing up at the doorstep of old widows.
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Post by Leftee on Jan 2, 2021 18:38:50 GMT -5
Like Widows 7?
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Post by rickyguitar on Jan 4, 2021 1:35:40 GMT -5
I talk to my 94 year old dad who has terminal cancer on almost daily basis and he will answer my questions but almost always says “ I’m doing fine son”. I can usually tell by the tone in his voice how he really is.. My mom died of liver cancer. She had to spend few weeks in nursing home after her collar bone broke. When I went to visit the nurse said mom was kind of hard to take care of because whenever they asked how she was doing she would say 'fine', even when they could tell she was not. Some people are...tough.
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Post by RufusTeleStrat on Jan 4, 2021 2:52:07 GMT -5
I live in one of those communities. I refuse to be the guy who knows everyone's personal medical history. My MIL who is 90 lives down the street and we have her over for dinner at least 3 nights a week. I just hate seeing her all alone, and my wife and I make sure to include her in most activity especially since the stuff is around. She is very lucid, and on top of most things, but she does this litany of neighbors illness think that drives me nuts. Then starts quizzing me on our kids and grand kids. I play it off, since I know my son who had a horrible motorcycle accident in Feb last year does not want her to worry. I know it is a touchstone of the community comparing illnesses like war wounds but it is frankly depressing. You get old, things fall apart, you get them fixed or replaced or live with the challenge, but I do not see how comparing everyone on the block to see who is more stove up helps.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Jan 4, 2021 9:32:11 GMT -5
I think Auf Kiltre nailed it. As you age, you simultaneously have degrading health and a less active social life, so health issues kind of dominate your world. That being said, I try not to dwell on it or make it a huge part of my conversation. When people ask how I'm doing, I usually say "Never better", which is something I learned from my dad.
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Post by Seldom Seen on Jan 4, 2021 13:14:40 GMT -5
I’m one of the “doing great” responders when asked. My worst-case answer is “I’m hanging in there”. As I get older, I try to refrain from asking how people are because it seems I get honest, detailed answers more and more frequently.
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