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Post by jefe46 on Jan 8, 2021 15:55:27 GMT -5
First a link to an article about his next project.. www.yahoo.com/autos/chip-foose-tweaks-delorean-dmc-170000212.htmlI am of the opinion he has destroyed a few too many classic cars to include LOTUS and PORSCHE and now he is on to DeLorean .Having inherited my cousin's personal first series demo w/6k miles (He was a dealer for DeLorean ) I have an affection for the car. POS, on many levels, VW Rabbit glove box lid, industrial low HP engine, goofy engineering, questionable workmanship, not particularly fast or with exceptional handling.. but it was 100% original and unmolested and iconic. We offed the car to a DeLorean restorationist in Wash State. along with all the workshop special tools, manuals and thousands of new parts to include body panels etc. I suggest Foose stick with Detroit iron such as Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge and Harley and leave iconic, classic vehicles alone. Curious about your opinions, which may vary from mine. |
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 8, 2021 16:00:49 GMT -5
Foose. Chip Foose. Kick off your Sunday shoes.
That’s all I got.
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Post by LTB on Jan 8, 2021 16:23:29 GMT -5
I like what he does to pre 72 Vintage American cars but newer I don’t care for no matter who does them
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Jan 8, 2021 16:34:12 GMT -5
I don't know if he still does the show, but there used to be one where someone would contact him about their brother/friend/husband/whatever who had a car for which they planned resto but just weren't getting it done. He come and "steal" the car and fix it up, but always with a bunch of mods. (I think that was his series....might be mixing up car shows but I'm pretty sure he was the one who did a lot of semi-radical mods).
I told my wife "Don't ever do that with my '66 Skylark". It needed work, and I'm fine with some useful mods like improving the brakes or such to make it safer or more reliable, but Foose did some pretty radical stuff to some pretty nice cars. I'm just not fond of that type of resto as a general rule.
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Post by budg on Jan 8, 2021 16:49:20 GMT -5
Yeah I told my wife one day DO NOT LET CHIP FOOSE TOUCH MY 72 CUTLASS NO MATTER WHAT. She knew I was serious.
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Post by MoJoe on Jan 8, 2021 16:58:03 GMT -5
Remembering the show, him following the same designing strokes all the time got boring fast. And wasn't that exciting from the start imho.
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 8, 2021 17:05:11 GMT -5
Ah: the old "rod vs. resto" debate. This has been going on as long as I can remember and some folks can get quite passionate/angry about it. I have mixed feelings: •Tend to agree that an unmolested, all-original car shouldn't be altered, especially if it's rare. These cars, beyond being cool snapshots in time in their own right, also are a valuable resource for people who want to accurately restore their own vehicle to stock specs (a perfectly valid goal). I don't even think that an original car in pretty much excellent condition (age taken into account) should be restored to stock: leave it alone and preserve it as is. •On the other hand, having grown up in SoCal during the 50s-60s, I have a real soft spot for hot rods. But altering those cars back then was a bit different: they weren't so old or rare back then. When I bought my Model A in 1964, it was a 33 year old car (like a 1988 car would be today) and there were still a lot of them around. Heck, they were even trashing 1930s and 1940s cars in large numbers at demolition derbies. Nowadays, some of the real popular classics, such as Model A and 1932/1934, 1939/40 Fords have had so many parts re-popped that they can be hot-rodded almost completely from scratch (steel body panels and fenders included) without ever touching an actual, vintage car. Where possible, it actually makes a lot of sense to do this since most hot rodders want up-graded seats, steering, frame, suspension, brakes and power train as well as add-ons such as modern sound systems and air conditioning. And this all makes sense. My Model A was bone stock: tall/narrow bias-ply tires, mechanical drum brakes, high center of gravity, sheet metal body panels screwed onto a wooden framework, no seat belts/air bags, "crumple zones" or dash padding which made it, in all honesty, a dangerous car to drive. Those cars (and their occupants) did not do well in a collision. Cool and nostalgic as I think "chopped" tops are, I must admit that I kind of cringe whenever I see this being done to really old cars nowadays.
All that said, with a few exceptions, most cars are money pits, regardless of whether you restore or alter them. You're unlikely to make money or even break even when they're done, especially if you figure in the cost of your own labor. For that reason, there's some validity to an argument that says whoever owns a car and is willing to throw money at it is entitled to do whatever the heck they want.
Like a said before: I can see both sides and have conflicting feelings about the question.
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Post by Blacksunshine on Jan 8, 2021 17:12:17 GMT -5
There's no denying he's a talented artist, I just don't get into his style. Big goofy wheels on everything, everything lowered, everything cartoonish, shaved handles, shaved drip rails, chopped tops, etc, it's just not my bag. That said, I think his design tweaks for the rear end help with the overly chunky and out of proportion look of the original DMC design, I kinda dig it. But what he did to the front, blech! Looks awful. Chip, drop the drawing supplies, and back away from the table with your hands where we can see them and no one will get hurt!  |
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Post by themaestro on Jan 8, 2021 17:12:27 GMT -5
I've just never been a Chip Foose fan. Somehow his designs just don't resonate with me.
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Post by Laker on Jan 8, 2021 17:20:56 GMT -5
The vehicles that his group produce are really very well done cars when you compare them to some of the other car shows on the Velocity/Motor Trend channel. Of those shows I think the Wayne Carini cars are the most interesting and enjoyable to watch.
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 8, 2021 18:14:31 GMT -5
There's no denying he's a talented artist, I just don't get into his style. Big goofy wheels on everything, everything lowered, everything cartoonish, shaved handles, shaved drip rails, chopped tops, etc, it's just not my bag. Clearly played with "Hot Wheels" when younger. |
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Post by budg on Jan 8, 2021 18:38:21 GMT -5
The guy who I think does restomods well it the cat from Bitchin Rides. Imo those are tastefully done . Much of the time he takes rusted hulks and makes something out of them. Tasteful in my opinion.
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 8, 2021 18:55:40 GMT -5
I find "Fast & Loud" (about "Gas Monkey Garage" in Texas) to be more entertaining, even though I don't always care for what they do to their cars either.
All these shows tend to be very formulaic, so they pretty much tend to wind up getting tedious and repetitive over time.
Jay Leno's show is usually pretty good.
That "Counting Cars" one in Nevada and the “American Chopper” guys in New York aren’t for me. I find a lot of the stuff produced on those shows to be really tacky looking.
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Post by LTB on Jan 8, 2021 19:48:38 GMT -5
I don’t care for the format used on his show of where they spoof the owner first. Irritating!
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Post by jefe46 on Jan 8, 2021 20:22:18 GMT -5
Leno doesn't butcher stuff. Fast& Loud, jerk I know this first hand. Won't watch him or anything with or about him..
Bitchin' rides is ok but his shop manager is juvenile and irritating.. don't watch because of him. The cars are usually very cool. Carini is smug and aloof but knows his stuff. He, like Leno, preserves not perverts cars. "Wheels" is awful, Mike is nothing but a weasel used car dealer.
Butchering a DeLorean is insurrection. On Foose's original show where they set up heist scenarios, his creepy front man also keeps me away.
The Garage overhaul at your house show is tolerable but they should stick to what they know, Detroit Iron, and leave the good cars alone. They blew it when they lost Christy.
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Post by guildx700 on Jan 8, 2021 21:10:52 GMT -5
I dunno...I'm a huge car nut and I'm pretty open minded with modding cars, but I've never seen anything that Foose did that I'd want to own.
Jes saying.
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Post by guildx700 on Jan 8, 2021 21:15:25 GMT -5
Leno doesn't butcher stuff. Fast& Loud, jerk I know this first hand. Won't watch him or anything with or about him.. Bitchin' rides is ok but his shop manager is juvenile and irritating.. don't watch because of him. The cars are usually very cool. Carini is smug and aloof but knows his stuff. He, like Leno, preserves not perverts cars. "Wheels" is awful, Mike is nothing but a weasel used car dealer. Butchering a DeLorean is insurrection. On Foose's original show where they set up heist scenarios, his creepy front man also keeps me away. The Garage overhaul at your house show is tolerable but they should stick to what they know, Detroit Iron, and leave the good cars alone. They blew it when they lost Christy. Fast and Loud? Most worthless car shop owner I've ever witnessed. Barf. Zero value whatsoever on all levels of workmanship, looks, functionality, power, speed, handling, you name it, he's simply clueless on all points of automotive. Other than his clownish antics he's got nothing going. |
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Post by Blacksunshine on Jan 8, 2021 22:20:26 GMT -5
Of all the "famous" car guys, I'd say Leno's crew is probably my favorite group of mechanics/restorers.
When they find a survivor, they just clean it up (work over engine if necessary, leave the interior stock, leave the paint original if possible, just polish it and make it shine, and they *may* update safety things like upgrade the brakes and functional things like that) Otherwise they leave it alone and drive it.
One of my favorite cars of Jay's is his 1971 Porsche 911T.
As I get older, the less mods a car has the better, IMO
Get off my lawn.....
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Post by MoJoe on Jan 9, 2021 9:11:54 GMT -5
Leno living the life, sporting the funds with an aquired taste, leaving good enough alone and letting that old Porsche shake its tailfeathers. 👍
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Post by Blacksunshine on Jan 9, 2021 12:12:36 GMT -5
What do you guys think about Porsche modders Singer, and Magnus Walker?
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Jan 9, 2021 15:20:51 GMT -5
I only watched the Foose show for the girls. The "scam the owner" shtick was lame and the finished product was usually butt ugly, IMO.
I still watch Garage Squad -- some of the problem solving they do is pretty interesting.
My first choice is Iron Resurrection. It's entertaining and they usually show a lot of the fabrication techniques so I generally learn something. I think the paint jobs are tasteful more often than not. I just wish Joe Martin wouldn't decide to lower everything that rolls into the shop.
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Post by MoJoe on Jan 9, 2021 16:25:35 GMT -5
I think the Singers are awesome. If a little generously priced for my taste. Liking the MW type, from when casual people on a budget driving 911s used to be a more common sight. Plus that's about the way I looked, minus the beard, when driving the family's 911 as a daily driver in the 80s. Being a total biker nut then I didn't care much about the car, or any other cars. Still the memory remains of a pretty exciting 130hp 911 as a genuine canyon carver and I totally understand the enthusiasm of Porsche freaks about their screaming elfers.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 9, 2021 17:21:06 GMT -5
Isn't he the Monster Garage guy or some such? I dunno, I'm not a TV person. Why anyone would have heartburn about anyone else taking any car, truck, guitar, etc., and modifying it is curious to me. It's their car! It's not your car. These are objects, not the bones of some dead saint. Who appointed you Curator of [Whatever]? If you have a classic De Soto and some TV goober butchers another classic De Soto, guess what? Yours just went up in value. Why are you complaining? "Oh, don't put a Bigsby on hardtail Strat! That's not how Leo intended it!" Go pound sand. It's my guitar  Okay, rant over. Drinks are on me! |
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Post by Larry Madsen on Jan 9, 2021 17:46:58 GMT -5
The thing I always know about Foose is he will remove the side marker lights off every car he touches ... it seems. I'm not sure if that renders a car illegal or not, but they were required factory equipment from 1968 on.
I will watch Counting Cars since it's a bunch of local cats. You see them around town from time to time if you pay attention.
I like Joe Martin a lot *Iron Resurrection* The guy can fabricate anything and he gives viewers more insight into what it is he is doing. I like that.
Dave Kindig does some pretty cool stuff and I'll watch his show. I stepped onto an elevator with him one day at work. Obviously, we are not really allowed to get to carried away with these celeb types, so it was a pretty short and simple exchange. "Good Morning." I believe I have seen you on TV." Dave looks back at me and says, "You just may have". Then he asked how to get to the convention area.
Watching an episode of "Bitch'in Rides" the other day and one of the things Dave Kindig did was get rid of the Chip Foose wheels on a car that came into his shop. It looked like he left the Foose steering wheel in though.
There are a few others I'll watch ... don't recall the names as I type here now.
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Post by Jim D. on Jan 9, 2021 18:01:00 GMT -5
I met Wayne Carini at a car show in Kansas City. He was by himself and I approached him. I complimented him on his program CCC. I like the show because it is not a contrived, drama infused production. It is like hangin out with him as he pursues his true passion. He thanked me for the comment. and meant it.
We walked around a bit and talked about certain interesting cars there. This was a concourse event. There were cars worth into seven figures. Both Wayne and the car owners I met and spoke with treated me with real respect and courtesy. They appreciated that I am an automotive enthusiast. Zero smugness, no asking about what I could or could not afford, none of that. Later, on my own I asked a guy seated behind a Ferrari 275 GTB is it was his. It was. This is a car worth millions mind you. He was never about the money or how well funded I might be. He considered himself the steward of this beautiful car. He invited me to get close as he conversed with me about the car and is history. Earlier when speaking with Wayne, he commented on a side event there where local enthusiasts displayed their cars. He mentioned what was his favorite car at the event. It was a Pontiac, nothing special, restored by a father and son that did every single restoration process themselves in a suburban garage. He respected that it was neither particularly valuable nor a concours quality professional restoration, but was to him more impressive than something a seriously wealthy person could simply purchase, never getting grease under their fingernails. This coming from a guy making a damn good living with a significantly wealthy clientele network. He is known and respected internationally but there was zero ego on display.
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Post by guildx700 on Jan 9, 2021 18:49:57 GMT -5
The thing I always know about Foose is he will remove the side marker lights off every car he touches ... it seems. I'm not sure if that renders a car illegal or not, but they were required factory equipment from 1968 on. I will watch Counting Cars since it's a bunch of local cats. You see them around town from time to time if you pay attention. I like Joe Martin a lot *Iron Resurrection* The guy can fabricate anything and he gives viewers more insight into what it is he is doing. I like that. Dave Kindig does some pretty cool stuff and I'll watch his show. I stepped onto an elevator with him one day at work. Obviously, we are not really allowed to get to carried away with these celeb types, so it was a pretty short and simple exchange. "Good Morning." I believe I have seen you on TV." Dave looks back at me and says, "You just may have". Then he asked how to get to the convention area. Watching an episode of "Bitch'in Rides" the other day and one of the things Dave Kindig did was get rid of the Chip Foose wheels on a car that came into his shop. It looked like he left the Foose steering wheel in though. There are a few others I'll watch ... don't recall the names as I type here now. I thought Kindig's restoration of the GM Futureliner was the most astounding restoration I'd ever seen.  |
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Post by Larry Madsen on Jan 9, 2021 19:04:14 GMT -5
He considered himself the steward of this beautiful car. That is a fairly common theme among car guys, mine and my car friends as well. None of us are going to own these cars for ever. I modify mine, but seldom in ways that makes it impossible to turn it back to stock if ever desired. Part of that thinking is driven by the idea of preservation for the next steward. |
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Post by budg on Jan 9, 2021 20:51:09 GMT -5
One of my favorite is My Classic Car. Dude goes to car shows , cruise ins and collectors all over the world. Seems like a really knowledgeable guy. You never know what he’s going to have on his show.
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Post by LTB on Jan 9, 2021 21:32:46 GMT -5
The thing I always know about Foose is he will remove the side marker lights off every car he touches ... it seems. I'm not sure if that renders a car illegal or not, but they were required factory equipment from 1968 on. I will watch Counting Cars since it's a bunch of local cats. You see them around town from time to time if you pay attention. I like Joe Martin a lot *Iron Resurrection* The guy can fabricate anything and he gives viewers more insight into what it is he is doing. I like that. Dave Kindig does some pretty cool stuff and I'll watch his show. I stepped onto an elevator with him one day at work. Obviously, we are not really allowed to get to carried away with these celeb types, so it was a pretty short and simple exchange. "Good Morning." I believe I have seen you on TV." Dave looks back at me and says, "You just may have". Then he asked how to get to the convention area. Watching an episode of "Bitch'in Rides" the other day and one of the things Dave Kindig did was get rid of the Chip Foose wheels on a car that came into his shop. It looked like he left the Foose steering wheel in though. There are a few others I'll watch ... don't recall the names as I type here now. I thought Kindig's restoration of the GM Futureliner was the most astounding restoration I'd ever seen. I thought that Futureliner reminded me of the 50’s Sante Fe locomotive in train set I had as a kid. I have liked Kindig’s stuff lately |
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Post by MoJoe on Jan 10, 2021 0:07:03 GMT -5
Coming from backyard engineering when bike and car modding tv rose to fame, none among us run-what-you-brung greaseballs was yearning for all those rolling atrocities on display.
Still there is a market obviously so why bother when having a good laugh at some at times. For as stated above if it's not my bike or car you're refining you do what you please with yours. If you feel the need to butcher a rare vintage machine, here's to ya. Would I do it myself? Nope. Can you have mine? No.
And I have to admit that I only know about a fraction of the current shows. I liked the big Brit repairing what his bargaining buddy brought occasionally. Was that Wheeler Dealers?
While the whole bling shebang is completely lost on me I can appreciate other's more intricate efforts. From manufacturers like Singer or Eagle lightweight E-types to down to earth modders running cozy sheds somewhere.
Like ourselves, operating privately and tucked away from the public eye, where it's all about keeping things in running order and ready to race. In appearance more like this guy:
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