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Post by digiboy on Jan 8, 2021 18:11:46 GMT -5
Ordered an electric razor on line back in November.
(Not Amazon).
Only billed for 1 which I paid for and received that week.
A week ago they sent me a second one under the same order number. Kind of annoying actually.
Had to be sure they don't try to bill me again so I notified them right away of the error. They were not very responsive, don't take phone calls and are slow with the emails.
Finally today the sent me instructions on how to obtain a paid shipping label and return authorization with a new order number. Fine. But when I try to fill out the form with that order number I get "Order already canceled".
I'm happy to send it back but they are not making it easy. Should I just forget it?
I gotta feeling I might have been better off to let sleeping dogs lie. No good deed...yada yada.
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Post by jhawkr on Jan 8, 2021 18:24:22 GMT -5
Call or email them. They’ll either arrange shipping for it or more likely just tell you to keep it. Ether way, you conscious will be clear.
Never mind. Guess I didn’t read your whole post. Just drop it and see if they want to make it a bit easier to do the right thing. It is their fault, and their problem.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 8, 2021 18:37:59 GMT -5
Download the app and use the chat feature. You’ll have it resolved in minutes, and probably with them telling you to keep it.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 8, 2021 18:39:45 GMT -5
I would email them and say their process isn't working and to just email or snail mail the return label. If they can't/don't, then too bad. Correcting their shipping error isn't your obligation.
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Post by digiboy on Jan 8, 2021 19:25:04 GMT -5
The only phone# just plays a tape saying to contact them by email. There is no option on line to even chat.
I will email back once to let them know their on line RA process rejects the new order number they gave me. Their move.
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Post by LTB on Jan 8, 2021 20:07:33 GMT -5
The only phone# just plays a tape saying to contact them by email. There is no option on line to even chat. I will email back once to let them know their on line RA process rejects the new order number they gave me. Their move. After that don’t worry about it. You made an honest effort!
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 8, 2021 20:21:29 GMT -5
The only phone# just plays a tape saying to contact them by email. There is no option on line to even chat. I will email back once to let them know their on line RA process rejects the new order number they gave me. Their move. The chat feature is only available on their app. I’ve used it successfully many times, it’s actually the only reason I have the app.
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Post by digiboy on Jan 8, 2021 20:35:21 GMT -5
The chat feature is only available on their app. I’ve used it successfully many times, it’s actually the only reason I have the app. I purposely didn't mention which company. It's not Amazon. Are you guessing which company it is or do you mean that most any on line return authorization system usually has a chat function? There is no option that I can find for downloading an app for this particular company. They only sell their own brand of electric shavers and accessories. They don't have a chat line and like I said, they are not accepting phone calls. My only option (that I know of) is their email.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 8, 2021 20:41:33 GMT -5
^ No, but I completely didn’t see the word “Not” Amazon lol. Sorry!
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Post by digiboy on Jan 8, 2021 22:18:45 GMT -5
^ No, but I completely didn’t see the word “Not” Amazon lol. Sorry! OK, That makes more sense. lol
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Post by rickyguitar on Jan 9, 2021 6:49:04 GMT -5
^ No, but I completely didn’t see the word “Not” Amazon lol. Sorry! In Mexico I think they call that a senor moment. JK.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 9, 2021 9:25:11 GMT -5
In fairness, it totally sounds like something that would have been Amazon lol.
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Post by HenryJ on Jan 9, 2021 9:51:45 GMT -5
We had something similar happen. We decided to let sleeping dogs lie also and say that we got the "bank error in your favor card."
We made the grave mistake of ordering drinking glasses online, stemware. As I feared would have happened after having placed the order, several of the twelve glasses arrived broken. I called and got authorization to send the whole batch back and we would get the entire amount. So we sent them back, and when they arrived back at the vendor's location, our credit card account was credited back for the entire amount.
But several days after that, we got another shipment of the same glasses. And three of the twelve were, you guessed it, broken. We were not charged for them.
I hope this is not too unethical, but we also decided to let sleeping dogs lie, keep the nine good ones, and not say anything. We had gone to too much trouble already. Maybe it was a goodwill gesture on the seller's part. People speak of the "get out of jail free" card, but as mentioned above, I call this the "bank error in your favor card." It's not like we ordered the stemware from Nieman-Marcus (Needless Markup).
I probably should not have confessed this.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jan 9, 2021 9:56:13 GMT -5
I agree with Auf Kiltre. I think you're exactly one email away from fulfilling due diligence. I'd make it clear in the email that you're doing your best to remedy it, but the company is making it impossible and this is your last attempt to fix it. You're obligated to do your part to fix this, good manners dictates some patience with wonky systems and communication especially in the COVID era, but you're not obligated to do THEIR part. You also aren't obligated to compel them to behave in a way that would seem to be in their own best interest. Plus, a lack of response from them could be an indication of a complete lack of desire on their part to get the product back. It is possible their own cost in the product is low enough that it doesn't justify the cost/hassle of getting it back and in their mind they're only going through with it to please you and resolve a customer service "complaint".
I recently had a duplicate order from Amazon due to the shipping problems around Christmas (an order presumed lost was refunded and reordered, then showed up out of the blue). I suspected they'd say "keep it" but like you, I wanted to do my due diligence. There wasn't an option even remotely close in their automated help/chat thing to explain sending something back unrelated to a refund, so I requested a phone call. I got a call, and it took the young woman about 20 minutes to figure out what I was asking. She kept thinking I was worried about the refund on the first invoice and asking about bank statements. Once she finally figured out what I was asking, she laughed loudly and said "you're too honest!" and told me I could keep it. She said I COULD send it back if I really wanted to (implying if it was a burden to have an extra, maybe true if it was an odd or bulky item), but given how long it took to get as far as I did and imagining how much time it would take to arrange the return, I called it good at that point.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 9, 2021 10:07:07 GMT -5
The law of this is simple, you are not obligated to return unsolicited goods that are shipped to you. If you ordered one and received two, the second one is unsolicited and legally, you have no obligation to notify the shipper.
Ethically, maybe a different story.
If you have only been charged once, the shipper figures it out and asks you to return the second one, they are obligated to pay for the return cost. It should cost you nothing out of pocket to return.
If the shipper charges you for the second item, obviously that will be something you have to correct. Technically they would be in the wrong, but “we shipped two, he kept two, he was charged for two” is a thought argument to get around.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 11:48:33 GMT -5
Something similar happened recently with a gift send. The recipient said she didn't receive. I told Amazon and they refunded me. Then, the gift did arrive. I didn't feel right about it, especially since it was fulfilled by another store (not amazon). Amazon customer service basically said they couldn't reverse the refund and to spend the money on a charity
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Post by jhawkr on Jan 9, 2021 12:16:33 GMT -5
Something similar happened recently with a gift send. The recipient said she didn't receive. I told Amazon and they refunded me. Then, the gift did arrive. I didn't feel right about it, especially since it was fulfilled by another store (not amazon). Amazon customer service basically said they couldn't reverse the refund and to spend the money on a charity So you donated the amount to the “60cyclehum New Gear Fund”, right?😁
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 13:28:21 GMT -5
LOL, no I did use for charity, but new gear fund sounds like a good idea
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Post by Mikeyguitar on Jan 11, 2021 11:16:46 GMT -5
On a related note, my wife bought me 3 packs of strings for Christmas from Sweetwater. I eventually got those, and just the other day I received 3 more packs! I texted Ian at Sweetwater and he said to just keep them.
Sweet!
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Post by digiboy on Jan 12, 2021 17:07:44 GMT -5
UPDATE. I let them know that the system rejects the new order number they gave me as "already canceled" so it won't authorize a return.
They replied asking me to use the original order number to return the second piece. Seems to me if I do that, I'll end up with a problem if I ever need warranty service on the one I keep. It will show in their system that the item was returned.
So I replied back explaining this concern. No response so far.
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Post by LTB on Jan 12, 2021 17:17:04 GMT -5
UPDATE. I let them know that the system rejects the new order number they gave me as "already canceled" so it won't authorize a return.
They replied asking me to use the original order number to return the second piece. Seems to me if I do that, I'll end up with a problem if I ever need warranty service on the one I keep. It will show in their system that the item was returned.
So I replied back explaining this concern. No response so far.
Just stop! You’ve done your part. Don’t screw yourself
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 12, 2021 17:41:05 GMT -5
If the second was cancelled, and you return the second using the first’s order number, wouldn’t you just be keeping the first one for free?
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Post by jhawkr on Jan 12, 2021 18:47:09 GMT -5
If 6 were 9, I’d be fine.
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Post by Leftee on Jan 12, 2021 18:49:45 GMT -5
Who needs warranty when you have two?
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 12, 2021 18:53:53 GMT -5
Who needs warranty when you have two? Or if you return the first one and keep the second one, you haven’t paid anything. You don’t need a warranty on that which was free, if it goes just toss it and start over.
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Post by digiboy on Jan 12, 2021 19:16:47 GMT -5
If the second was cancelled, and you return the second using the first’s order number, wouldn’t you just be keeping the first one for free? Then they would have to tell me up front that they will issue a refund for the one I return. I can't just assume that will happen. If that's what they are suggesting, sure, ending up with one for free without a warranty would be just fine with me. At this point it's their move. Otherwise I'm done.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jan 13, 2021 10:03:59 GMT -5
UPDATE. I let them know that the system rejects the new order number they gave me as "already canceled" so it won't authorize a return.
They replied asking me to use the original order number to return the second piece. Seems to me if I do that, I'll end up with a problem if I ever need warranty service on the one I keep. It will show in their system that the item was returned.
So I replied back explaining this concern. No response so far.
Just stop! You’ve done your part. Don’t screw yourself
I tend to agree. At this point someone in customer service should have realized how much work you're putting into this and come up with something to finally bring an end to this fiasco.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 13, 2021 10:15:12 GMT -5
The law of this is simple, you are not obligated to return unsolicited goods that are shipped to you. If you ordered one and received two, the second one is unsolicited and legally, you have no obligation to notify the shipper. If you try to do what you need to keep your own conscience clear and they cannot provide a remedy, it's a Buy One Get One Free deal.
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Post by K4 on Jan 13, 2021 13:40:16 GMT -5
I'd send them an email saying for them to send a pre paid mailing label if they want it back.
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Post by digiboy on Jan 13, 2021 13:41:46 GMT -5
Epilogue: They finally sent me a prepaid shipping label without all the nonsense. What they really should have done in the first place. They are a small outfit so I cut them some slack. If it was Amazon, I wouldn't have even blinked about keeping the second one.
The end. Roll credits, cue closing theme. A Q-M production.
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