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Post by walshb 🦒 on Jan 2, 2020 11:37:58 GMT -5
I replaced my Boss ME-70 with the HX FX. I've pretty much got the hang of it, for now, at least enough to use it at church this Sunday, with 4CM. But I've had some really strange issues with 4CM, where more than once, it seemed like no input was going to the front of my amp. More than one amp, actually. Or, no sound coming out when I strum the strings on the guitar.
I've had to add FX Loops to some presets that I downloaded, and I got them working. In fact, yesterday, I had everything working fine. I came back a few hours later, and....no sound coming out again. On ANY of the 4CM presets. I kept messing around, and added an FX Loop into one of the presets that didn't have one, and suddenly everything started working again. It made no sense, at all. I began to wonder it there was a problem with the FX Loop in the amp....
So then, last night and this morning, everything is still working fine! Getting glorious delays and reverbs out of this unit, to the point where I can't wait to try it on Sunday. But right now, I don't know if I trust the darned thing, after what happened yesterday.
If anyone has ANY ideas what I could have done wrong, or if there's some setting I might be overlooking....please chime in! I'm starting to feel like Troubleshooting 101 is not the class for me! Even though that's what I did, for much of my career.
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Post by squarewave on Jan 2, 2020 12:12:22 GMT -5
I use Helix Native regularly, so I am familiar with the Helix platform, however that doesn't need the 4CM, so I'll give it my best shot. I believe you stumbled on the fix for all of it, making sure a loop is inserted; there may be a "loop on/off" option somewhere in each preset that needs to be switched, or maybe a global setting? The fact that it works fine, then it doesn't later on, is a clue that it may be a setting. Do you find that it works, then you change a preset, then go back and it doesn't work anymore?
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Post by walshb 🦒 on Jan 2, 2020 12:50:51 GMT -5
Thanks squarewave. I've been through so much with this thing, I can honestly say I can't remember everything that I did. It came with presets already in it, for 4CM. I couldn't get them to work, until I found that there was a volume pedal in the signal chain, and it was assigned to Exp 1 instead of Exp 2 which is supposed to be "the norm". Once I changed it to Exp 2, I think that was the first time I got any sound out of the 4CM settings.
Then I inserted FX Loops into some presets I had downloaded because none of them were set up for 4CM. I think I chose incorrect settings at first, because later I noticed they were all going to "Send" instead of to FX Loop. After switching them all, that's when I got them all working yesterday. Then, like I stated above, a few hours later, I came back and there was no sound, from the 4CM presets. I've looked at global settings and haven't found the problem, if it's there. It was strange that it started working right after adding an FX Loop into one of the presets that didn't have one, and then suddenly all of them worked. So then I started suspecting a bad unit (it was a demo I purchased from Sweetwater), and I also started suspecting the FX loop on the amp. But the problem hasn't returned, so far! I love it when you're halfway through troubleshooting something and the problem disappears!
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Post by Rayf Brogan on Jan 2, 2020 14:53:03 GMT -5
I had the exact same experience last week. I have a Helix Rack that I've owned for almost 2 years. A few weeks ago I bought a used Kemper and wanted to run 4cm into the Helix. I followed all the diagrams but had no sound coming from the Helix. After monkeying around with it, it finally worked but I swear I had it set up properly to begin with(I obviously didn't). Since then it's been 100% reliable even though I'm not exactly sure what fixed it.
I don't have the HXFX but the concept should be the same as a regular Helix. You do need to have an fx loop block for each preset you're using. Otherwise the signal coming back to the HX doesn't get added to your chain. I use separate Send 1 and Return 1 blocks rather than a single FX Loop 1 so I can put stuff between the amp and cab but you should be able to get away just with the single fx loop 1 to save space.
There's lots of talk about making the fx loop always on in the global settings so you don't have to add a loop to every patch. We'll see if Line 6 decides to implement that in the future.
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Post by walshb 🦒 on Jan 2, 2020 16:58:39 GMT -5
Wow, thanks Raif! That's good to know, I wasn't even sure if I could just add an FX Loop in every signal chain, or not. I have an amp that doesn't have an FX Loop that I might use it with sometimes, and I wasn't sure how or if that would cause a problem. Sounds like it might not? One of these days, I'll just put into the other amp and see what happens.
Strange that you had a similar occurrence though! I'd like to say, I'm glad I'm not the only one! But I won't say that!
Did the Helix have 4CM presets in it already? My initial problem was described above, they had placed a volume pedal in the presets and put it in Exp 1 instead of 2. That was my initial problem, anyway, and like you said, no sound at all.
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Post by Rayf Brogan on Jan 2, 2020 20:28:33 GMT -5
Wow, thanks Raif! That's good to know, I wasn't even sure if I could just add an FX Loop in every signal chain, or not. I have an amp that doesn't have an FX Loop that I might use it with sometimes, and I wasn't sure how or if that would cause a problem. Sounds like it might not? One of these days, I'll just put into the other amp and see what happens. Strange that you had a similar occurrence though! I'd like to say, I'm glad I'm not the only one! But I won't say that! Did the Helix have 4CM presets in it already? My initial problem was described above, they had placed a volume pedal in the presets and put it in Exp 1 instead of 2. That was my initial problem, anyway, and like you said, no sound at all. Yeah, all my amps dont have effects loops so I've never had a reason to try the 4cm until now. With no loop, you just have to run the HXfx infront of the amp which is what I'd do with a normal pedal board. Funny you mention the 4cm preset. I tried using that and I think that's what screwed me up. Not sure why, but once I moved to a blank preset and added the send/returns, that's when things started moving in the right direction.
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Post by mojodelic on Jan 4, 2020 20:45:20 GMT -5
Bill, what version are you running? Not saying you should update right before your church gig but there were a lot of vol dropping issues when 2.80 first came out.
Maybe you could try updating next week. FWIW I don't use 4cm anymore since I go straight to FOH & only use the stage amp (clean with no cab modeling). You can always just go straight into the front of the amp; that'll get you through the next gig.
Good luck Brother.
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Post by walshb 🦒 on Jan 4, 2020 21:33:22 GMT -5
Bill, what version are you running? Not saying you should update right before your church gig but there were a lot of vol dropping issues when 2.80 first came out. Maybe you could try updating next week. FWIW I don't use 4cm anymore since I go straight to FOH & only use the stage amp (clean with no cab modeling). You can always just go straight into the front of the amp; that'll get you through the next gig. Good luck Brother. Thanks mojo! I checked when it arrived and it had the latest update. I believe it's 2.82. It's strange, I've had no more issues since the last time I had a problem, which was a few days ago. I downloaded some worship presets and some of them are great! Fantastic might be a better word. I'm playing some slide tomorrow and it sounds better than anything I was getting out of the ME-70. Tomorrow I'll be plugging into a different amp at church, but it's the same brand (Fuchs), just less wattage. So I don't expect to have any issues other than some minor adjustments on the amp.
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Post by mojodelic on Jan 4, 2020 21:39:17 GMT -5
Good to hear! Try some WT patches (one or two are free). Also the L6 customtone site has a bunch of good ones.
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Post by walshb 🦒 on Jan 5, 2020 7:37:41 GMT -5
Good to hear! Try some WT patches (one or two are free). Also the L6 customtone site has a bunch of good ones. Thanks! I've downloaded all the free patches last week, and I purchased some also, but I think the ones I purchased were from somewhere else...? Not sure, I mean, it was last week!
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Post by mojodelic on Jan 5, 2020 8:58:35 GMT -5
Alex Strabala has some great advice & awesome patches; if you have time watch some Jason Sadite's videos- he lays it out very well.
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Post by walshb 🦒 on Jan 5, 2020 12:39:20 GMT -5
Thanks, I will check out Alex and Jason! The way the patches are laid out, that's something I was really struggling with before purchasing the presets. I'm still not sure if I like snapshot mode or stomp mode better.
HX FX sounded great at church today, I'll stick my neck out and say it's the best I've ever sounded at church. The delays and reverbs are great and gave me a much fuller tone, but still clear enough to hear all the notes. I used an Elevation patch that I purchased, and 3 different Snapshots that came with it.
I've had no more issues with the original problem I mentioned above, so it must have been something I did, although I have no idea what!
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Post by mojodelic on Jan 5, 2020 13:28:55 GMT -5
Awesome!
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Post by willie on Jan 5, 2020 21:07:32 GMT -5
Lord that looks complicated Bill...multi level menus freak me out...analog man in a digital world.
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Post by walshb 🦒 on Jan 5, 2020 21:20:10 GMT -5
Lord that looks complicated Bill...multi level menus freak me out...analog man in a digital world. Believe me, it was not an easy decision! And I'm with you on the menus, one thing I did NOT want to deal with! I did more research before deciding on this, than any pedal I've ever bought. Probably more than any instrument, also. I watched lots of videos, read lots on forums.... I finally decided I had to take the plunge. It was that or buy a few Strymon pedals to get the reverbs/delays I needed at church. I would have spent more on the Strymon pedals. I also didn't want amp modeling, so it was about the closest I could find to what I "needed." Overall, after a few initial 4CM issues, I've found that it's actually really easy to work with.
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