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Post by LVF on Mar 7, 2021 15:00:06 GMT -5
Ok, before I get into the title subject, I guess this will end up being a question as well. What happens in this video was a bit of a surprise to me because it doesn't look normal. It seem I've seen this before in a video from 'Uncle Doug' but can't quite remember what it's all about. This is happening when I switch the standby from off to on after the amp is warmed up. I get a variance of popping as well, only one pop but not always the same sound or intense. I'm leaning toward it being a bias thing and maybe a bad cap but, I don't know. What say you? Do full screen for a better view. Now, on to the real purpose of this thread. When using this amp with a pedal board, what channel do you like to use. I'm sure either one would suffice but, using a pedal board it seems channel one would be good, bypassing the 'verb and vibrato. I'll stop with this question so that you all can ponder this.
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Post by pdf64 on Mar 7, 2021 19:00:58 GMT -5
Funny noises are typically caused by a wonky valve. Try swapping in a known good spare into each socket in turn. But just reseating valves can re-establish a good connection between the pin and base, if noise is due to that. If you’re purely concerned about the blow glow, that’s a completely normal response of the valve to HT current flow, see www.kcanostubes.com/content/blue-glow-tubes Use whichever channel sounds / works best for you. Try both inputs of each. Turning down the fx intensity controls effectively takes them out of circuit. It’s a guitar amp, not lab equipment, there is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ approach.
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Post by LVF on Mar 8, 2021 10:37:26 GMT -5
That's good advice on swapping tubes in this instance. However, the link you provided seems to explain this 'phenomena' so, its considered a normal condition. Outside of that happening, the amp works perfectly. Just never noticed that before and this is one of the many reasons Moe's is an invaluable resource. Thanks
Now that I look at the other question I asked, it seems like kind of a strange question but, it was intended to just start a conversation for this thread and I was interested in knowing if those that have this amp have a preference in which channel they prefer to run pedals through but, it really doesn't matter, does it(?).
So, I'll ask another question: What kind of mods have you done to your Twin and what did it change about it?
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Post by larryguitar54 on Mar 8, 2021 20:42:17 GMT -5
I have the same amp.
I don't think that's normal but I suspect it's easily fixable. I had similar popping issues so I took the amp to my local amp tech. They opened up the amp and found some small bits of loose solder that caused some arcing. A good cleaning and redoing a couple joints fixed it.
I always assumed the two channels but I have a/b'd this and find the normal channel has a slightly better platform for pedal boards. I wasn't sure if it was just me but at a recent outdoor I noticed another guitar player had a very similar rig was running his the same way through the normal channel.
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Post by pdf64 on Mar 9, 2021 4:46:43 GMT -5
As well as a bright cap often on the volume control (usually switchable), every BF / SF Fender reverb channel has an additional fixed treble boosting 10pF cap. I hate its tonal effect, to me it adds a horrid fizzy tizz edge to the tone, that’s very difficult to dial out. Every Fender sounds better with it removed, when I fix amps I ask if they’re be interested in me lifting it, provided that I’d refit it if requested. Of those I removed, I’ve never been asked to refit them. That cap is the main reason the normal channel sounds nicer, especially with any type of distortion pedal, than the reverb channel. C17 on a TRRI, it can just be snipped out with a pair of cutters. el34world.com/charts/Schematics/files/Fender/Fender_65_twin_reverb_sm.pdfAnd most players find that an audio taper pot makes setting the reverb control much easier. But the pots on the RI models are pcb mounted, so a replacement pot needs to have the same physical form factor, which can be tricky. Adding a HT fuse is a great improvement for almost any Fender, though some RIs already have them. Same for 1ohm cathode current sensing resistors on the power valves; very handy for quickly checking that the bias setting is ok.
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Post by LVF on Mar 9, 2021 10:38:19 GMT -5
Good posts, pdf64 and larryguitar54. Thanks for that link, pdf64. At some point, I will find it handy. So, another potential reason for the popping would be loose 'crumbs' floating around and arching on the pcb. I have a '59 Bassman LTD I will put side by side with the Twin since it's the only other Fender amp I have with a standby switch. As to the mods mentioned here. Are we talking about the bright switches located in both 1 and 2 channels? Wouldn't just not using them eliminate any issues? I've tried these switches on the Twin. Not a fan so, I'll not be using them. This amp is bright enough on it own. I'd be interested in checking the bias voltage on the Twin to find out what it's values are between the 6L6s. I've done a preliminary temp check of the tubes and they are fairly close but, I don't know what numbers are good for the temps. Don't get me wrong, this amp sounds great and I will be hard pressed to change anything with it at this time. I'm just a tinkerer and I want to know things.
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Post by pdf64 on Mar 9, 2021 11:19:59 GMT -5
The bright caps (C5 & C10) are on the vol controls, between the 1st and 2nd amplification stages of each channel. C17 is a different thing, it’s between the 2nd and 3rd stage of Fender reverb channels. As a vol control is turned up, its bright cap will have less and less effect; whereas C17 creates a fixed high treble boost.
Regarding standby, technically it’s completely pointless and unnecessary, but the standby arrangement in the Bassman is bad (hot switching), it causes excessive anode current surges in the GZ34 rectifier every time it’s flipped into operate mode. Eventually it will develop a lightning storm inside the rectifier valve, and it will short out and blow the fuse. Hence it would be much better to avoid using standby for that amp especially.
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Post by LVF on Mar 9, 2021 12:29:04 GMT -5
Ok, I wasn't sure what you were referring to before but, I understand now about the 'bright caps'. On the 'lightning storm' you're talking about, I already have that in the Twin and it's new. Across all 4 6L6s but, it hasn't caused any problems with the operation of the amp as of yet. However, it sound to me like keeping the standby switch engaged on both of these amps would be the prudent choice in their operation.
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