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Post by Larry Madsen on Mar 16, 2021 13:25:56 GMT -5
What caught my eye recently was the Ibanez AR300 (or the variants) made back in the late 70s and the 80s. This guy. 52711_Ibanez_Artist_H814538_2_644x@2x.progressive by Larry Madsen, on Flickr The originals can be had for any were between $1,000.00 and $2,000.00 and most are being sold out of Japan and with 40 years of wear. There has been a lot of talk on the forum about how the newer guitars (on the average), made almost anywhere in the World, are of really great quality. Newer versions of this same guitar (with some very minor variations) are available at about $600.00 and of course they are brand new. kafdycp5u3jr23evasn4 by Larry Madsen, on Flickr What is your bet on how well these newer versions campare to the originals.
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Post by langford on Mar 16, 2021 13:46:20 GMT -5
My guess is that they'll compare well objectively, but us guitar folk are superstitious. That said, I suspect we'll mostly bow down to great spirit Mojo.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Mar 16, 2021 13:51:32 GMT -5
Here is the off the shelf appeal about these, which the original AR300 also had.
From the literature sales pitch.
"Sonic flexibility from Tri-electronics Each of the Super 58 Custom humbuckers on the AR325QA has a Tri-sound switch, which lets you choose between series, parallel, and coil tap operation. There's a lot of tonal territory to cover here, and you'll love exploring how each configuration sounds through your favorite amplifier."
I guess it's almost hard to say "from original manufacturer" as well. The originals were made in Japan. These recent versions, made in China. Different places ... different times ... who knows.
Not that I have committed myself to buying one of these, but I surely don't have anything quite like it.
I usually have built/assembled my own guitars in most cases, but I have learned the cost of that as well.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Mar 16, 2021 16:37:28 GMT -5
A lot of the stuff coming from China today is astonishingly good.
If you've never played an Eastman acoustic or electric, you should try one. Amazing guitars, and made the old-fashioned way--actual carved tops, etc.
Many modern "name" guitars (Ibanez, Gretsch, Epiphone, Squier, etc.) coming out of China are amazing too.
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Post by LTB on Mar 16, 2021 17:47:28 GMT -5
A lot of the stuff coming from China today is astonishingly good. If you've never played an Eastman acoustic or electric, you should try one. Amazing guitars, and made the old-fashioned way--actual carved tops, etc. Many modern "name" guitars (Ibanez, Gretsch, Epiphone, Squier, etc.) coming out of China are amazing too. My new Yamaha Is made in China
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Post by Leftee on Mar 16, 2021 18:38:15 GMT -5
My experience has been that Ibanez is good value at whatever price-point you buy. You pays more, you gets better.
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Post by LTB on Mar 16, 2021 20:03:06 GMT -5
My experience has been that Ibanez is good value at whatever price-point you buy. You pays more, you gets better. I agree! Love mine. Great guitar. When looking for an acoustic I was trying to decide between Ibanez and Yamaha. I think I would have been happy with either one.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Mar 16, 2021 20:11:29 GMT -5
If you want something of relatively equal quality, I think you'll be just fine, even better with the new one. If you want to have an exact duplicate of the original because the original had some sort of special whatever that you want to revisit, then it depends on how much effort R&D put in. Heck, Strats and Les Pauls have more people working on duplicating vintage stuff than any other guitar, and those still struggle to get it right. An added difficulty is that Ibanez has never had *A* factory. Everything they do has always been contract work, so how much documentation they have lying around, who knows. All that said, the reproductions they've done of the older RG models are some of the best locking-trem guitars I've ever played, so they don't seem to be phoning it in on this. Maybe keep a potential pickup swap in the back of your head, because sometimes Ibanez pickups are truly awful, and make Epiphone pickups sound like boutique upgrades... but not always.
One thing I'm noticing is a far better bridge on the new one. Those old ones are pretty clunky, though I suppose important if you want to recreate the original perfectly.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Mar 16, 2021 20:49:17 GMT -5
If I were to go for one of these ... originality would not mean much. I’d expect it to perform and function at a high level.😜
I think they are both set up (functionally) identical and that’s the score I would want equal. Beyond that it would just be believing I was buying good (maybe even superior) quality for the money.
Thanks for all the input. If anyone has more I’ll happily stand by. 😃
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Post by Leftee on Mar 16, 2021 21:09:37 GMT -5
Fwiw there are Super ‘58s in my AM83L. I like them and have no desire to change them.
That’s about a $600 Ibanez, as well.
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Post by LTB on Mar 17, 2021 9:23:55 GMT -5
A lot of the stuff coming from China today is astonishingly good. If you've never played an Eastman acoustic or electric, you should try one. Amazing guitars, and made the old-fashioned way--actual carved tops, etc. Many modern "name" guitars (Ibanez, Gretsch, Epiphone, Squier, etc.) coming out of China are amazing too. My new Yamaha Acoustic all solid wood was made in China.
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Post by Lefty Rev on Mar 17, 2021 10:56:29 GMT -5
I agree with Leftee; the '58 pickups sound fine. And they might sound even better by replacing the stock pots and caps for something high end.
You can't replace or replicate old wood... and I'd suspect that the older guitar had/has higher quality wood to begin with, now it's aged 40-50 years, so there's that.
But it will still be a great, well playing guitar that shouldn't *need* any mods. I'll second that Eastman makes great stuff (I recently bought one of their double humbucker jazz guitars), as does Ibanez (I have one of their small hollow body "339" style models, to which I've added a lefty Bigsby; plays great, albeit heavier now!).
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Post by Larry Madsen on Dec 10, 2021 17:33:23 GMT -5
Well, I have one in my sights. 🤪
I’ll let you know how it turns out 😜
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Post by Lefty Rev on Dec 10, 2021 23:50:01 GMT -5
P.S. If they made a lefty version of the one you're looking at, I'd be all over it. I bet Eric/Leftee would be, too!
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Post by Leftee on Dec 11, 2021 0:28:49 GMT -5
P.S. If they made a lefty version of the one you're looking at, I'd be all over it. I bet Eric/Leftee would be, too! Roger that
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Dec 11, 2021 2:16:48 GMT -5
Drop the plastic on the counter, soldier!
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Post by reverendrob on Dec 11, 2021 7:22:27 GMT -5
China high end or midgrade stuff is stupid good.
My Mascis Jazzmaster and Epi Casino punch FAR above their weight.
The cosmetic fit+finish may not be on par with my Gibsons, but...they're a fraction of the cost.
They play almost as well and sound like what they're supposed to sound like.
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Post by insanecooker on Dec 11, 2021 8:33:41 GMT -5
I do find it interesting that on the blurb for the HM Strat Fender highlights the fact it’s made in the same factory in Japan as the originals. They also copied most of the specs (including the peculiar scale length), but went with a Floyd Rose instead of the Kahler of the originals, which I’d argue is an improvement.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Dec 11, 2021 10:00:42 GMT -5
Holy old thread Batman!
I'm not an expert on these, but one thing I noticed right away is the hardware isn't the same old, weird, janky stuff on the original. That is either a good thing or a bad thing. The originals had their own hardware which was pretty heavy and would've helped give it that distinct '70s vibe. This looks like it has a Sung-Il bridge which will make it a bit more vanilla like a lot of other Gibson-esque instruments out there from Ibanez, Epiphone, etc. Since many of the owners of the originals had them since they were decent alternatives to Gibson at a lower price, this could be a good thing, but someone who loves the originals may want maximum quirkiness. YMMV.
One good piece of news is that Sung-Il is easily replaced by Gotoh should you ever wish it to be so.
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Post by LeftyMeister on Dec 11, 2021 21:40:49 GMT -5
Many modern "name" guitars (Ibanez, Gretsch, Epiphone, Squier, etc.) coming out of China are amazing too. Got that right! From what I've read, my Epi LP Custom Pro is made from the same components as the comparable Gibson except it was assembled in China. It's a tone monster and a keeper. They call the pups Probuckers instead of Burstbucker Pros, but who cares?
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Post by LeftyMeister on Dec 11, 2021 22:03:49 GMT -5
Ibanez AR300... Newer versions of this same guitar (with some very minor variations) are available at about $600.00 and of course they are brand new. I purchased an Ibanez Artcore AS93 with the Super 58's a couple of years ago. It's one of the finest SHB guitars I've ever played and it cost me 7 bills.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Apr 19, 2022 19:53:26 GMT -5
Well folks, I finally got it. Guitar is "like new". Came with Ibanez hard shell case also "like new". Purchasing new the guitar runs $600.00 and the case about $125.00. I paid $400.00 for both. DSC_3067 by Larry Madsen, on Flickr This guitar had been on Craigslist a few months ago for $500.00 and I was too deep into my engine rebuild and all to think seriously about buying it. the listing ended and I hoped it would come up again. Yesterday I saw it and it was listed at $450.00. Today I text the guy and asked, "If I show up with $400.00 could I buy the AR325?" Affirmative response came pretty quickly. I've not plugged it in yet, but he told me he had set it up himself and all I can say (with what little noodling I have done on it) he is quite good with his work. As we talked I discovered he too builds Warmoth projects and in fact had just sold a Warmoth Strat he had built. DSC_3071 by Larry Madsen, on Flickr
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Post by rdr on Apr 21, 2022 22:51:02 GMT -5
Really nice and for a great price too! Is it heavy?
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Post by Larry Madsen on Apr 21, 2022 23:30:46 GMT -5
Negative on heavy. 👍🏻
The body is actually somewhat thin. Off the top of my head here I’d say it’s one of the lighter guitars I have.
I like the neck profile, it’s on the thinner side.
The coil splitting capability does add a lot to the tonal options.
Plays very nicely … I think it has already found it’s way into my favorites.
I looked in my bin of stuff and found a pair of gold Schallar strap lock buttons to go with all the rest of the gold trim.
I’m very happy with this one and what a stroke of luck finding one so nice.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Apr 22, 2022 9:05:19 GMT -5
I should add: This is the only “neck-thru-body” construction guitar I have as well.
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Post by Wish on Apr 22, 2022 13:12:36 GMT -5
Congrats! It looks really nice, and you got a great deal on it.
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Post by wha232 on Apr 27, 2022 18:49:54 GMT -5
I had an original AR300 from 1982? Nice flamey 2 piece top. The quality was first rate but it weighed 10+ pounds. It seemed the lacquer was 1/8 in thick in places.
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Post by rdr on Apr 30, 2022 11:08:05 GMT -5
Now I've got GAS. Gee thanks!
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