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Post by cedarchoper58 on Mar 21, 2021 12:05:06 GMT -5
what do you all think of them thks
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Post by Ayns on Mar 21, 2021 12:22:21 GMT -5
I haven't played one, but I've listened to a few demos, and the Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb was *top* of my wish list....... Until Quilter released the Aviator Cub
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Post by justin on Mar 21, 2021 13:01:27 GMT -5
I love my TMDR. I won't compare it to a tube version because they all can sound different between examples. I've had many tube amps and we all know that they need to be turned up before they really come alive. Even a 5 watt tube amp is loud for me when others are minding their own business in the house.
When I watch the comparison videos I have always been able to tell the tube version vs the Tone Master, but both sound great and very similar. The sound I can get from my pedalboard and the TMDR set to 0.2 watts is phenomenal. It's not too bad if I shut the door so other members of the house can at least do whatever they want to do without me practicing the same repetetive stuff bothering them too much. At 23 pounds, this amp is so easy to move. Even the Twin version is very light if you need that much power. The last gigging amp I had was an Orange half stack - I'm never going back to that. I haven't played out in over 10 years though. But if I do I know the TMDR will fit the bill and the sound guy will appreciate the direct cab simulator output. Personally, my tone has never been better and more scalable to the situation at hand. But that is all relative as I consider myself an intermediate player that's had some really good gigs along the way. I have a Yamaha THR and a Spark which were my go-to house amps but honestly the TM does it better. The stereo reverb on the tiny Yamaha is pretty dang cool though.
I do think the TM is expensive for what you're physically buying (no big transformers, tubes, etc.), but the cabinet is made of solid pine which is nice. I think the pricing is right when it comes to the value you get out of it and how it sits in the Fender lineup. Fender would be doing themselves a disservice if they sold it for less. Can't really blame them. I did get mine brand new for 15% off on a random day I walked into Guitar Center unknowing of their President's Day sale. That was a pure luck.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Mar 21, 2021 23:33:37 GMT -5
I love my TMDR. I won't compare it to a tube version because they all can sound different between examples. I've had many tube amps and we all know that they need to be turned up before they really come alive. Even a 5 watt tube amp is loud for me when others are minding their own business in the house. When I watch the comparison videos I have always been able to tell the tube version vs the Tone Master, but both sound great and very similar. The sound I can get from my pedalboard and the TMDR set to 0.2 watts is phenomenal. It's not too bad if I shut the door so other members of the house can at least do whatever they want to do without me practicing the same repetetive stuff bothering them too much. At 23 pounds, this amp is so easy to move. Even the Twin version is very light if you need that much power. The last gigging amp I had was an Orange half stack - I'm never going back to that. I haven't played out in over 10 years though. But if I do I know the TMDR will fit the bill and the sound guy will appreciate the direct cab simulator output. Personally, my tone has never been better and more scalable to the situation at hand. But that is all relative as I consider myself an intermediate player that's had some really good gigs along the way. I have a Yamaha THR and a Spark which were my go-to house amps but honestly the TM does it better. The stereo reverb on the tiny Yamaha is pretty dang cool though. I do think the TM is expensive for what you're physically buying (no big transformers, tubes, etc.), but the cabinet is made of solid pine which is nice. I think the pricing is right when it comes to the value you get out of it and how it sits in the Fender lineup. Fender would be doing themselves a disservice if they sold it for less. Can't really blame them. I did get mine brand new for 15% off on a random day I walked into Guitar Center unknowing of their President's Day sale. That was a pure luck. there are two versions of the Deluxe tone master have you tried both and whats the difference. I have been using a black face pro reverb for years and was thinking of downsizing. which one would be closest to the bigger black face amps like my pro reverb. i dont want the twin tone master its to heavy and probaly does not sag like a amp with a rectifer tube. Does the deluxe tone master sag thks
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Post by justin on Mar 22, 2021 14:24:19 GMT -5
I love my TMDR. I won't compare it to a tube version because they all can sound different between examples. I've had many tube amps and we all know that they need to be turned up before they really come alive. Even a 5 watt tube amp is loud for me when others are minding their own business in the house. When I watch the comparison videos I have always been able to tell the tube version vs the Tone Master, but both sound great and very similar. The sound I can get from my pedalboard and the TMDR set to 0.2 watts is phenomenal. It's not too bad if I shut the door so other members of the house can at least do whatever they want to do without me practicing the same repetetive stuff bothering them too much. At 23 pounds, this amp is so easy to move. Even the Twin version is very light if you need that much power. The last gigging amp I had was an Orange half stack - I'm never going back to that. I haven't played out in over 10 years though. But if I do I know the TMDR will fit the bill and the sound guy will appreciate the direct cab simulator output. Personally, my tone has never been better and more scalable to the situation at hand. But that is all relative as I consider myself an intermediate player that's had some really good gigs along the way. I have a Yamaha THR and a Spark which were my go-to house amps but honestly the TM does it better. The stereo reverb on the tiny Yamaha is pretty dang cool though. I do think the TM is expensive for what you're physically buying (no big transformers, tubes, etc.), but the cabinet is made of solid pine which is nice. I think the pricing is right when it comes to the value you get out of it and how it sits in the Fender lineup. Fender would be doing themselves a disservice if they sold it for less. Can't really blame them. I did get mine brand new for 15% off on a random day I walked into Guitar Center unknowing of their President's Day sale. That was a pure luck. there are two versions of the Deluxe tone master have you tried both and whats the difference. I have been using a black face pro reverb for years and was thinking of downsizing. which one would be closest to the bigger black face amps like my pro reverb. i dont want the twin tone master its to heavy and probaly does not sag like a amp with a rectifer tube. Does the deluxe tone master sag thks There is the Blackface and the Blonde version. The BF has the original '65 (virtual) circuitry and a Neodymium Jensen speaker. The Blonde has had the bright cap (virtually) removed from the circuit and the reverb knob is tapered in a way so that it's more useable in the lower settings. Also it is outfitted with a Celestion Neodymium Creamback speaker. I did not try the Blonde version as I knew that I could simply download that version of the amp onto the Blackface. It's also less expensive to add the Celestion to the Blackface rather than vice-versa. The Celestion can be had for $169 while the Jensen seems to sell for $259. To change the amp's "guts" you just have to go to Fender's website and download the firmware you want. Plug your computer via USB into the Tone Master and then drag the new firmware to the amp (it appears as if it's a hard drive). I did this so I have the clipped bright cap and new reverb response. Easy peasy. As far as sag, I think there a fairly convicing bit in the Deluxe Reverb. I'm not the best reference for this as my most recent tube-rectified amp was that Orange half stack. I never got to really crank that thing. I once had a Marshall Bluesbreaker for a short while when I was young. I think it had a tube rectifier. I do remember that amp having a very spongy feel and very early breakup, but that wasn't what I was after at that time so I moved onto a JCM800. Anyhow, the Deluxe reverb does have a softer attack when you crank it up. It sounds glorious on "10" as far as I'm concerned, but I like to keep it on around 4-5 and let my pedals get the overdrive going.
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Post by archiestone on Mar 26, 2021 11:46:57 GMT -5
Some info here in prior thread --
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Post by DrKev on Mar 26, 2021 12:10:27 GMT -5
I think this is the best comparison of the TMDR and tube DRRI because you don't know which one you're listening to until the end. I preferred the TM.
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Post by justin on Mar 26, 2021 13:57:32 GMT -5
I think this is the best comparison of the TMDR and tube DRRI because you don't know which one you're listening to until the end. I preferred the TM. I'm going to admit that I was wrong when I mentioned above that I always can tell the DRRI from the TMDR in these videos. That's when I'm watching from my couch through a nice system. I honestly couldn't remember if I had seen this particular video or not so this was a true "blind" test for me. I'm at the office using some Sennheiser headphones, which are more revealing than my TV system. I guessed the wrong amps! That being said I prefered the tone of what ended up being the Tone Master, even though I thought it was the DRRI. The only all-tube amps I have left now are a Champion 600 and one of those Fender "Pawn Shop" Greta amps. The Champion is OK but I think the Greta is trash. I keep it around because it looks cool. I plan to unload the Champion because the TMDR just makes it very expendable. I'm way more into pedals now than I used to be so I can get what I need from them into this amp. If I can narrow it down to one amp this will be it. ...but I plan to limit myself to 8 guitars.
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Post by Ayns on Mar 26, 2021 15:10:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I mentioned it here, or on a previous thread, but I watched a DRRI v TMDR comparison (Anderton's I think) , and they declared the DRRI the "clear winner" but I couldn't hear any difference whatsoever ;-) and the TMDR weighs half as much and costs half as much.
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Post by Peppy on Mar 26, 2021 18:28:26 GMT -5
the Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb was *top* of my wish list....... Until Quilter released the Aviator Cub We sell both at the store I work at. I like the TMDR, especially the blonde. But the CUB all day long.
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Post by Ayns on Mar 27, 2021 5:10:18 GMT -5
Thanks Peppy. The Aviator Cub still isn't available here (UK) yet, and Thomann (Germany) has sold out its original allocation and is now looking at 6-8 weeks to restock :-(
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Post by pcalu on Mar 27, 2021 8:25:22 GMT -5
I can see the attraction behind them...
I'm a dinosaur.. played one at GC... came away with not my thang
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Post by DrKev on Mar 27, 2021 15:14:39 GMT -5
Thanks Peppy. The Aviator Cub still isn't available here (UK) yet, and Thomann (Germany) has sold out its original allocation and is now looking at 6-8 weeks to restock :-( COVID has messed things us because production has slowed due to employee illness and limits on number of people in one building at a time. But also shipping is impacted, in part due to shortage of shipping containers in some places because they are piled up in others and can't get back fast enough. Only going to be made worse with the Evergreen ship stuck in the Suez canal.
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Post by Peppy on Mar 27, 2021 21:40:36 GMT -5
See my latest post on the Quilter thread.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Mar 31, 2021 17:13:12 GMT -5
the Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb was *top* of my wish list....... Until Quilter released the Aviator Cub We sell both at the store I work at. I like the TMDR, especially the blonde. But the CUB all day long. do you sell the Tone Master Twin Reverb? How does it sound does it sound like a 6L6 amp
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Post by Peppy on Apr 2, 2021 19:32:03 GMT -5
@cedarchopper58
Not exactly like a true blackface Twin Reverb. Good enough for me though. The lighter weight (I had a 1970 Twin Reverb with two EV SROs and a tonal addition by Dave Schecter...weighed about 90 lbs.) and the ability to adjust wattage seals it for me. I will say my ears, and eyes, prefer the newer blonde version.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 3, 2021 18:16:07 GMT -5
How come Fender hasn’t made a ‘59 Bassman Tone Master?
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Post by justin on Apr 3, 2021 21:14:12 GMT -5
I bet they're working on it or thinking about it. Maybe they'll release a TM tweed Deluxe and Twin, though I'd like to see a Bassman instead of a twin.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 3, 2021 21:17:48 GMT -5
A Tweed Deluxe would be cool if they could make a convincing circuit.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Apr 3, 2021 22:11:33 GMT -5
they need to relase a 2 6L6 tone master like a pro reverb or vibroverb or super reverb or vibrolux
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Post by archiestone on Apr 10, 2021 15:16:31 GMT -5
A Tone Master Head of some kind would be nice... and *really* light.
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Post by rdr on Jun 13, 2021 14:04:37 GMT -5
A TM Super Reverb would be the ultimate. I need one like a hole in the head but would be tempted. My pal just got a cherry 1966 one and I'm jealous- just like the one I gigged with way back in the day.
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Post by jhawkr on Jun 14, 2021 8:58:00 GMT -5
I’ll stick with my real tube amps. 67 BandMaster, 73 BandMaster Reverb, DRRI, 2 Vox AC’s, Supro, Mahalo, Marshall. I don’t move them much anymore so weight is not an issue and they all sound just like what they are.
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Post by Ayns on Jun 14, 2021 11:12:52 GMT -5
Ive just resolved my Tonemaster/ Cub dilemma by ordering a Quilter Superblock US. I'm hoping to pick up a 1x12 neo cab to go with it..
I've also got several tube amps; Marshall JVM and JCM, Fender SCXD and Pro Junior, Orange, Engl, Traynor and Vox. I don't think I'll ever be gigging them again. :-)
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Post by rdr on Jul 13, 2021 12:21:32 GMT -5
I see Fender is offering a TM Super Reverb.
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Post by herb on Jul 13, 2021 13:04:59 GMT -5
I see Fender is offering a TM Super Reverb. Just got an ad from Sweetwater and noticed this too. I pretty much exclusively played through a blackface Super Reverb when I played out in the 70's and 80's. Loved those amps as they would give it up fairly early and had a giant, full overdriven tone. I'm very anxious to take a trip down memory lane and test drive a TM. 35 lbs. Pretty sure the originals were twice that.
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Post by Leftee on Jul 13, 2021 13:52:20 GMT -5
I'm holding out for a TM Super Six.
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Post by twangmeister on Jul 16, 2021 23:31:57 GMT -5
I'm holding out for a TM Super Six. It couldn't mimic the original very closely unless it was made from cement board and the Tolex came with a few cigarette burns and beer bottle rings. Ear plugs optional.
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Post by Leftee on Jul 17, 2021 8:03:27 GMT -5
I'm holding out for a TM Super Six. It couldn't mimic the original very closely unless it was made from cement board and the Tolex came with a few cigarette burns and beer bottle rings. Ear plugs optional. They would not be allowed to use neo speakers either. It Just Wouldn’t Be Right
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Post by reverendrob on Jul 19, 2021 16:17:44 GMT -5
A Tone Master Head of some kind would be nice... and *really* light. I'd be tempted by a BF Bassman head.
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