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Post by zenland on Mar 27, 2021 17:01:38 GMT -5
I have an EF340SC GN Takamine acoustic and just started recording it straight in to my DAW. Have a lot to learn but it seems the DI box method produces good results with recording acoustic guitars.
I'm looking and reading up on a number of DI boxes already.
So, what works for you whether its playing acoustic live into a PA or recording in a studio?
Thanks
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Post by walshb 🦒 on Mar 28, 2021 16:52:59 GMT -5
I don't feel like I'm "qualified" to answer this. But at church, and in other live situations that I've been involved in, acoustic players almost always seem to use a DI before the PA. We recently began going direct with all the electric guitars at church also, and we're all (electric and acoustic players) using some sort of DI box. Mine was about $50 from Sweetwater, and it's the same as most of those that I see on stage. It's a Whirlwind 1-ch Passive Instrument DI. It works fine for what I'm using it for, cutting out some single coil pickup noise I was getting from my Jazzmaster. It also seems to reduce the overall signal going to the PA. Are they supposed to do that? I'm not sure, but it did the same thing at band practice when I tried it there.
Another guy bought an active DI with a 20db boost, but it seems like that's too much to be useful, and he doesn't use the boost. So, why pay more for an active DI with a boost?! My feeble mind would like to know! Maybe it works better with acoustics. Maybe someone here can answer that.
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Post by roly on Mar 29, 2021 0:31:05 GMT -5
If you are tracking, use properly placed mics that are appropriate for the task at hand.. you could also record the DI signal as a backup. Live....although it's a compromise, I rely on DIs....attempting to mic an instrument in a situation where the back line is loud, will ALWAYS fail. The secret to getting the best results from a DI is to be certain that the impedance of the source is appropriate for the input impedance of the DI. I think cheap DIs work best as door stops.
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Post by roly on Mar 29, 2021 2:53:25 GMT -5
zenland Do you know the impedance of the source and the impedance of the destination? If you don't....it's homework time.
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Post by zenland on Mar 29, 2021 9:41:49 GMT -5
Bill and Roly Thank You!
I forgot to mention I would also like to use it for bass guitar into my PA system. Allen Heath MixWizard WZ(3) 16:2. Power amps are Crown X3000 and Crest Audio Vs 900. And four 1X15 cabs with horns.
I had a big bass rig on loan that I wanted to down size from. I was thinking of buying a smaller bass rig for jams and recording but, thought the DI would be worth trying with the bass. I didn't know which would be better for both instruments but, was told either would be fine IIRC.
The two I looked at are from Radial. The Pro DI Passive Direct Box and the Pro 48 Active Direct Box.
Roly-lol...
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Post by roly on Mar 29, 2021 23:13:04 GMT -5
I like Radial DIs. Their passive options have good frequency response but have rather low output. I often stick them on the bass because the transformers go way down into the basement. They need a lot of gain which is not a problem if your mic pres are quiet.
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Post by zenland on Mar 30, 2021 15:48:27 GMT -5
Thanks again Roly.
My interface is a Scarlett 18i20 2nd generation so, what ever those mic pres are is what I gotz. I also use a behringer ADA8200 for a drum kit I have set up (using 7 mics on the kit) and that unit has Midas pres.
When we record we usually use the eighth input on the ADA 8200 for the bass guitar.
I'm sure the Whirlwind that walshb mentioned would be fine but I'm going to get the Radial DI Passive Direct box. My nephew ran sound for a very large church here in Marietta and the Radial brand was all they would use.
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Post by ninworks on Apr 1, 2021 4:58:18 GMT -5
There are many options for DI boxes. It depends upon how much money you're willing to spend. I also have a 2nd generation 18i20. It does not have tons of gain and may require either an active DI or a gain booster of some kind. The Royer Dbooster or a CL-1 Cloudlifter comes to mind but, if you have to buy a DI AND a booster there are a number of companies who make designated guitar mic preamps for less that what a DI and a gain booster would cost.
Using acoustic guitar pickups in a live situation is the only way to go BUT, in the studio you will almost always get a better sound using a microphone on your acoustic guitar. Even if it's a dynamic mic. I have recorded some great sounding acoustic guitar tracks using a SM57, SM58, or Senheiser MD421, microphone. And if you have one, a condenser mic will usually sound even better. To me, the only good-sounding direct acoustic guitars are electric-acoustics that are purpose built for that and that only like the Fender Acoustasonics or something similar.
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Post by zenland on Apr 2, 2021 16:49:46 GMT -5
Thanks ninworks! I should have said my acoustic/electric in the original post! Oops!
I checked the Royer Dbooster and CL-1 Cloudlifter you listed. Yeah, a bit expensive but, they look good for the bucks!
Going to read/listen more before I make that decision now.
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Post by zenland on Apr 28, 2021 14:15:20 GMT -5
Went ahead and got a Radial Pro 48 Active Direct Box.
Just needed a swift kick and the Pro Audio guy said this is what he would buy! Done!
I'm way overthinking this stuff sometimes!
Just Do It!
I did
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