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Post by windmill on Mar 28, 2021 5:48:05 GMT -5
I suppose it may depend on your definition of "driving" I suppose.
But by anticipating the chord changes and keepin on top of the beat do you drive the songs in yourt band ?
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Post by hushnel on Mar 28, 2021 10:57:57 GMT -5
Yes, particularly when I feel some drifting or a bit of slacking. It can be a challenge keeping the volume mix locked in place. Most of the guys I play with keep the tempo tight. Most of the three piece groups it was simply getting the drummer to pay attention, usually not a problem.
One guy I used to play with had trouble coming out of his leads, the drummer and I would lock in tight and prepare to catch him, didn’t always happen but it was a concern. Not that anyone would notice. I’ve seen the drummer throw a stick at him when it appeared he was thinking about winding it up at an obvious wrong place. She eventually married him, but it didn’t make his timing any better “o)
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Post by themaestro on Mar 28, 2021 13:57:53 GMT -5
Apparently I do. My ex-brother-in-law, who was an excellent drummer came to hear a band I was in. He told my wife, "Bob is the real timekeeper in that band. I have heard that other times as well. If I'm driving, it's not particularly pushing the band. I'm somewhat of a slightly behind-the-beat guy, but I'm serious about timekeeping. However, if the drummer knows his stuff, I'm will to let him drive.
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Post by jeffscott on Mar 28, 2021 15:38:40 GMT -5
Yep, always did, or in some cases, had to, to keep things moving and/or properly "aligned", so to speak.
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Post by LTB on Mar 29, 2021 0:57:22 GMT -5
I lock in step with the drummer and singer (Drums for beat and singer for coming changes). I try to when playing without a drummer but some guitarist seem to have trouble if no drums but I do my best to stay in step even if they try to speed up etc. and eventually (hopefully quickly) get back in step. To tell you the truth, I listen to the singer as well as drums and on some songs if singer and drummer isn't available during a jam or practice it is hard to stay in step and know when changes are coming on some songs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 8:55:12 GMT -5
Yep, it's my job....I guess, since everyone I've played with tells me those exact words.
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Post by Grizbear-NJ on Mar 30, 2021 12:34:21 GMT -5
As a drummer; if I can "lockstep" with the Bass player; then mission accomplished. The term "driving" is an interesting description. I always viewed that aspect as "Setting the Foundation" for the rest of the band to work from; I look at it as more of a "safety net" than anything else, regardless of the genre of the music.
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Post by LTB on Mar 30, 2021 14:50:53 GMT -5
As a drummer; if I can "lockstep" with the Bass player; then mission accomplished. The term "driving" is an interesting description. I always viewed that aspect as "Setting the Foundation" for the rest of the band to work from; I look at it as more of a "safety net" than anything else, regardless of the genre of the music. Yes setting the foundation but driving the beat to me is a with bit more intensity
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Post by Grizbear-NJ on Mar 31, 2021 12:26:41 GMT -5
I fully agree with you my friend; I think we are both talking about the same thing, from different perspectives; the level of "Energy". From my experience, it depends on the song itself, and the amount of people/musicians involved. If you have a trio or quartet, backing up a single vocalist; your musical approach is different. If you have a horn section, multiple keyboards, a percussion section, and a host of vocalists; the backline or rhythm section controls the "dynamics" of the entire group. (Instruments & Vocals) Once the tempo & rhythm is set and defined; the rest of the band can "free style and improvise" to their hearts content. We as the rhythm section are tasked to determine the "intensity" of the song by setting the: tempo, rhythm, and other dynamics; which influence the other musicians.
Best example I can offer: If the musicians in a band; "suppress" their volume or dynamics; the vocalists do the same thing. On the same note; It's important that the musicians don't "over-power" the vocalists; balance and control is extremely important for success.
NOTE: I too like to have vocals in my monitor when playing.
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Post by twangmeister on Mar 31, 2021 22:20:02 GMT -5
That was my goal.
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Post by LTB on Apr 1, 2021 3:34:34 GMT -5
One guy I used to play with had trouble coming out of his leads, the drummer and I would lock in tight and prepare to catch him, didn’t always happen but it was a concern. Not that anyone would notice. I’ve seen the drummer throw a stick at him when it appeared he was thinking about winding it up at an obvious wrong place. She eventually married him, but it didn’t make his timing any better “o) Oh, yes...had one of those. He liked to just zone out into space somewhere and hope we stayed with him. He would smile at the end and said "That's great you guys stuck with me". As far as the drummer marrying him did they ever argue about it or did she continue to throw stick at him?
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Post by hushnel on Apr 1, 2021 15:32:55 GMT -5
No, I think she still throws sticks at him. “O) I’ve lost track of them, I wonder if they’re still together. She was the best drummer I ever worked with.
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