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Post by gato on Apr 21, 2021 6:50:04 GMT -5
Many years ago I was "shacked" with a young lady who was a 10 on the looks scale, but had a defective psychological camshaft in her brain.
This was her thing: look in the want ads for a job .... hostess at a hotel for instance. She would call and be scheduled for an interview. Out she goes to buy a new outfit, new shoes, gets her hair done. She reports to the interview, nails it, lands the job and then never shows up.
A couple of weeks later, same thing. And then a repeat the next month.
Over and over again: passes the interview with flying colors, wins the job, never reports to work.
Interesting hobby, I suppose, but guess who was financing all the outfits and hair salon appointments?
Years later, after we parted ways, it occurred to me that despite turning heads whenever she walked into a room, she was basically insecure. Passing the interviews provided affirmation and approval.
I know people who have spent years accumulating degrees, and then they do nothing with them. A diploma or certificate on the wall and nothing more. Each degree leads to nothing more than the pursuit of yet another one. Is this also a method of securing approval?
Does any of this sound like something you've observed?
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Post by bluzcat on Apr 21, 2021 7:14:01 GMT -5
As far as degrees- some people may just love learning and of course the degree is proof of attendance, mastery etc. Now, if they are used as bragging rights then that may be a different thing.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Apr 21, 2021 7:18:18 GMT -5
Yes, I've known a bunch of people like this throughout my "professional" (used loosely!) career.
For example, when success on the job is secondary to other things like continuing education, it makes the person ineffective at work because they're not at work. Don't get me wrong--I know continuing education is valuable and it's a good thing, but some people take the continuing-education thing to the extreme.
I've seen it over and over again in the intel business. some folks spend more time away from the office sitting in a classroom than they do at work. Many organizations tend to encourage this, and I think there are people that take advantage of it to skip out on work because school is a lot less stressful than work--not having to deal with things like that pesky job description, bosses, co-workers, and deadlines. Some people are very happy in the classoom and prefer to be there than on the job.
It's goofy.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Apr 21, 2021 8:07:09 GMT -5
The closest thing for me might be in my "prior life" as a service provider ... I would go to homes and find pictures of the home owner and every "famous" person they ever came in contact with, and it appeared they had put some serious effort into seeking out the "famous". I'll add: Some of these famous people, I would not be caught dead in the same room with.  |
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Apr 21, 2021 9:19:29 GMT -5
As far as degrees- some people may just love learning and of course the degree is proof of attendance, mastery etc. Now, if they are used as bragging rights then that may be a different thing. My stepmom has a PHD. She insists that people refer to her as DOCTOR ________. When I was a kid, I got chewed out for not introducing her that way to my friends. Meanwhile, my mom and dad insisted my friends call them by their first name. |
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Post by gato on Apr 21, 2021 9:35:15 GMT -5
As far as degrees- some people may just love learning and of course the degree is proof of attendance, mastery etc. Now, if they are used as bragging rights then that may be a different thing. My stepmom has a PHD. She insists that people refer to her as DOCTOR ________. When I was a kid, I got chewed out for not introducing her that way to my friends. Meanwhile, my mom and dad insisted my friends call them by their first name. First name as in Doctor Ruth or Doctor Phil? |
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Apr 21, 2021 9:35:54 GMT -5
I never had that opportunity since the schools I went to were so poor that spending much time in academia was not realistic for me.
There is something about people who try really hard to sell themselves but are scared to actually demonstrate it. In the instrument building/repair world, the ones who work hardest to sell themselves tend to do the least work. Tip: if a 20-something has a very elaborate social media enterprise and uses the word "luthier" way too much, chances are they can't change strings right, much less do your neck reset.
On the other hand, maybe the impressing is where she lost her momentum? It is easy to have starting enthusiasm, but once the day-in-day-out looms and real responsibilities set in, it can be petrifying, even if it isn't that fancy of a job. So, maybe her insecurity not only needed people to turn their heads and look at her, but also meant deep down she didn't think she could actually do any of those jobs.
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Post by Grizbear-NJ on Apr 21, 2021 9:54:10 GMT -5
Regarding Degree's & Certificates; I view them as "records" or "confirmation of attendance" in accordance with education standards. In real life, I question how valuable they really are. Beyond K-thru-12; a college education may include degree's such as "Associate", "Bachelor", "Master", "Doctorate". Go even further; "Medical School", "Nursing School", "Law School", "Divinity School", and so on. My position; Just because a person has certain pieces of paper to confirm their education; it does not qualify them to deal with real life situations. In my opinion, life experience is what counts; and there is no real way to measure that.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Apr 21, 2021 10:22:17 GMT -5
As far as degrees- some people may just love learning and of course the degree is proof of attendance, mastery etc. Now, if they are used as bragging rights then that may be a different thing. My stepmom has a PHD. She insists that people refer to her as DOCTOR ________. When I was a kid, I got chewed out for not introducing her that way to my friends. Meanwhile, my mom and dad insisted my friends call them by their first name. Years ago my wife had a student whose father corrected her every time she called him Mr. _____, because it was Dr. _____. It happened a lot of times because she continued doing it on purpose. He was also a PhD. In my experience, that behavior is far more prevalent in that crown than among MDs. |
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Post by Leftee on Apr 21, 2021 10:28:05 GMT -5
I have a friend who has 2 PhDs. Everyone calls him John. He’s quite humble and just a great guy.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Apr 21, 2021 10:34:20 GMT -5
My stepmom has a PHD. She insists that people refer to her as DOCTOR ________. When I was a kid, I got chewed out for not introducing her that way to my friends. Meanwhile, my mom and dad insisted my friends call them by their first name. First name as in Doctor Ruth or Doctor Phil? Dr. Last name. |
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Post by RufusTeleStrat on Apr 21, 2021 12:04:43 GMT -5
My wife was a late bloomer. She went back and received her Bachelors, Masters and Doctorate of Education all after age 50. She only uses the Dr. when she is in a professional situation as she is a University Professor. Otherwise she is very low key about it.
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Post by gato on Apr 21, 2021 12:25:35 GMT -5
First name as in Doctor Ruth or Doctor Phil? Dr. Last name. I was kidding! |
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Post by langford on Apr 21, 2021 13:27:39 GMT -5
@rufus... My parents were academics. Same thing. The titles only came out in professional settings. But some people sure are fussy. A number of years ago, I had the unfortunate experience of taking my mother to an oncologist appointment where the we were told the tumors in my mother's brain were untreatable. The doctor then asked if we had any questions. I did (my mother was already psychologically spun by other issues and in outer space) and I let doctor know, calling her by her first name. Doc stopped me in my tracks, before I could ask my question. "That's *Dr.* So-and-so. I earned the degree, so I deserve the title." Wow. Talk about ego, especially under the circumstance.
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Post by Ragtop on Apr 21, 2021 14:34:11 GMT -5
When I took the test for the SO back in 1982, I finished #2.
The guy who finished #1 was not interested in a career in law enforcement. He just liked going around and taking all these written tests for fun, and to see if he would finish at the top of the list. He was well-known to those who put these tests on.
I know it cost something like $45 to take the test. That was his thing, though.
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Post by modbus on Apr 21, 2021 15:14:03 GMT -5
Isaac Asimov said that PhD stands for "phony doctor".
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Post by theprofessor on Apr 21, 2021 15:33:02 GMT -5
I used “Dr.” for about five minutes after I got it. Now I only use it when I’m writing letters of rec for kids.
It was a pair of shoes that didn’t fit.
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Post by LTB on Apr 21, 2021 15:34:53 GMT -5
I have a friend who has 2 PhDs. Everyone calls him John. He’s quite humble and just a great guy. That is the kind of folks I like! Some are more into facades and image rather than actual work. I went to college to get an electronics degree solely to get out of minimum wage jobs rather than to impress anyone Oh and it always bugs me when someone gets a theology degree and calls themselves doctor. In my opinion We should be humble |
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Apr 22, 2021 12:41:49 GMT -5
The titles only came out in professional settings. I read that line quickly and had to do a double take -- that can't be right. |
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Post by Mfitz804 on Apr 22, 2021 12:53:43 GMT -5
The titles only came out in professional settings. I read that line quickly and had to do a double take -- that can't be right. Depends on the profession, my friend... |
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Apr 22, 2021 12:55:18 GMT -5
^^ I knew you would get that joke.
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Post by tahitijack on Apr 22, 2021 13:19:37 GMT -5
Doctor, Doctor give me the news...........
Dr. Barbara Ferrer can be seen daily on local TV and occasionally national networks as the spokesperson for LA County when it comes to health matters.
Dr. Barbara Ferrer is the County Health Officer for Los Angeles County. In other words she is in charge of the entire county department of health. City of Los Angeles does not have a department of health, so they turn to Barb for leadership and policy. But, she is not a medical doctor, she does have over 30 years experience as a philanthropic strategist (fund raiser) and community advocate. Her Ph.D. is in social welfare. Masters degree in education. Annual base pay is about $330,000. Her department has 32,000 employees and an annual budget of about $7 Billion.
I clearly made some wrong choices along my path....didn't realize I could have skipped passed med school and could have made the big bucks with a Ph.D. in social welfare....oh well.
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