Wrnchbndr
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Post by Wrnchbndr on Apr 26, 2021 23:15:21 GMT -5
I’m making good progress on a string bender tailpiece for a lap steel. Kinda like that on a Dusenberger but with a production price of about $35 in parts and 90 minutes of labor for a bender that will individually bend two strings. If and when it works, I’ll post a materials list. The idea is to have two benders - probably the B and G string but by design, you could set it up to bend any string and install one for every string if you wanted. To keep it simple, these would only sharpen a note but I might buy a pair of those fancy hips hot tuners to add more flexibility. I’m looking for additional ideas to incorporate into this instrument and I need some suggestions for optional detachable legs that work well and I can add at a reasonable price. I have a line on some 200+ year-old barn wood. I’m thinking about a fretboard made from polycarbonate with black light LEDs and etched markings. I’ll probably make a pair of my own pickups. Volume control placed for easy rolling. I like a varitone circuit tone control. Six strings, eight strings - it makes no difference.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Apr 27, 2021 9:51:22 GMT -5
The legs will probably be the hardest part because they generally require four features: light in weight, strong, easily attached, and height adjustable. I cannot think of any inexpensive way to do this. Most of the ones I've seen on commercial laps are basically cut-down mic stands with the knurled barrel clutch that allows the leg to collapse for transport. But they are heavy. A cool approach would be to find a used camera tripod (telescoping legs) designed for larger cameras. Three legs, made to order. Pop it apart and make some adapters/sockets for the bottom of the guitar. Another option for this is collapsiblle hiking sticks. These are super light in weight, super sturdy (aluminum tube), and have twist-lock clutches on the telescoping sections to make it very secure. But you'd need three of 'em.
Yet another option is a folding stand, similar to that on a music stand or (heavier hardware) a snare drum stand. The problem with this arrangement is the guitar is on a single stick and it will want to rotate as you manhandle it while playing. You'd need a way to lock it.
You definitely have the ability to come up with interesting and innovative features; I've seen and played some of your wacky creations! So I'm brainstorming here... A humbucker that's splittable would give you more tonal options than a single pickup with volume and tone controls. A sweepable Q control (like a wah) would give you even more tonal options; you can do a passive version of this, modeled after Danny Gatton's Tele tone circuit. An easy way to change open string notes on the fly would be a sliding capo, similar to that available for the 5th string on a banjo. You could incorporate this on the low string, but keeping it out of the way of the slide may be problematic.
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Post by Wrnchbndr on Apr 28, 2021 9:43:09 GMT -5
Hey Geno. ...long time brother.I’ve got a couple tele-pickup flat sets on order from Allparts. The polepiece spacing of the bridge pickup is about right when the pickup isn’t installed at an angle. I could modify of even remake those into a humbucker. Most humbucker are fairly pathetic operating in single coil but I’ve seen a few that do it fairly well - wasn’t paying attention of which one did to have an opinion but you know it when you come across one. I might go back and retry that brass-pickup flat thing I did years ago. I never fully tested the end result. I think I’ll have all of the materials on hand to make my string bender tailpieces - many years in the idea stage and I finally pulled the trigger. I’m probably the only one here within easy driving distance to McMasterCarr and I’m ashamed that I haven’t fully utilized this blessing. The capo thing has got to happen. Dusenberger has a floating capo on their steels and I wish I had one that I could look at closely. On YouTube it looks dumb-simple — two metal dowels and a thumbscrew. Scored me some flamed maple yesterday so I woke up with wood this morning in my living room. The walking stick suggestion might be on the money. A retractable cup-holder is certainly a necessity.
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Post by sirWheat on Apr 30, 2021 19:02:55 GMT -5
I'm interested in seeing your bender idea. As to the legs, a quick look-around only turned up over-priced angled leg-mount hardware, etc. sold by suppliers of lap/pedal steel stuff. Further searching found cheaper alternatives; do a search for "angled top plate" and you'll find inexpensive stuff for furniture legs. The legs themselves (I'm sure you know) should be easy enough to figure out. I have an SX lap steel that came with the telescoping legs that attach to recessed, angled sockets. Sure doesn't look like anything fancy, the legs themselves are just beefier versions of the aforementioned tripod legs. Works fine and is plenty sturdy. That Duesenberg capo is pretty cool looking. Looks like a rod that mates with a piece of square stock that's been concavely radiused to match the rod. Here's ANOTHER, more complicated but damn cool.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on May 1, 2021 8:28:47 GMT -5
I don't know TOO much about lapsteel pickups, but they all seem to be screaming hot compared to regular guitar pickups, and when they're put together with just a regular pickup they tend to sound dull. After the usual pre-requisite Google assisted research, I'd probably keep in the back of my head that when it seems too hot, it is probably just getting close.
I could be completely wrong on that, too.
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Post by Wrnchbndr on May 2, 2021 0:14:25 GMT -5
In Work Bender
This is where I’m at tonight with the bender. You can seen that this has only one string bender on it but I will add one more. It’ll all polish up bright. The idea is that you can pick and chose which strings to put the bender on and how many benders you desire. The string loads from the top into the arm and will go down through the base. I have plans for a roller under the base basically using a string ball-end on a 1/16 shaft. The string tension keeps the lever up and you push down the lever to sharpen the pitch. The back stop screw sets the angle of the arm and the forward stop screw sets the limits of the pitch increase. The hardware is all from McMasterCarr. I received my adjustable walking sticks from Amazon today. $25 a pair. I think they’ll work really well. There’d be no problem installing something like this on a cheap Squire Tele.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on May 2, 2021 10:20:42 GMT -5
Ooooo that is way cool!
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Post by strabo on May 17, 2021 9:02:39 GMT -5
I once made a little lapsteel as I had some spare ash and a spare 7-string pickup. I wired it with a push/pull pot for a series/parallel switch and then added a three-way switch which could tap either coil or have both together (all of the wiring smarts came from others!). The variation in tones was really quite wide, I was very happy with the results. I don't know how to post a pic, but here's a .jpg of the wiring I used. Black wires are ground, red is live and yellow is clearly another colour pen I had lying around at the time: www.dropbox.com/s/n6ey1bmgsqh7ory/lapsteel%20wiring.JPG?dl=0
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