huck
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Post by huck on May 5, 2021 21:52:18 GMT -5
Dunno if this is the right forum for this, but I don't know where else a p.a. question would go.
I just got a Peavey xrd680 plus (300w per channel) and one Peavey speaker with a 15 and a horn for my son's band. They have another homemade cab with a 12" 200w Carvin speaker in it that they were using with their old PA.
I hooked everything up, added a monitor for the drummer, and it sounded good when I did a vocal check. However, when we gave it a band test with the Mains on about 7 and the vocal channel mic on 5, the homemade cab starts feeding back immediately. I found that if I drape a piece of canvas across the front of the speaker, the feedback stops. Pull the canvas away, the feedback starts again. And this is with no music or singing going on.
I took off the speaker grill, covered the inside of it with a towel, and screwed it back together. Turned on the PA, got feedback.
The cabinet has a horn that doesn't work and two holes maybe 4" across at the bottom.
Any ideas what's going on? Any ideas about how to fix it, other than just leaving the canvas there? Though the cab does look better significantly better under canvas ...
Thx!
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Post by oldfartbassplayrwalt on May 6, 2021 12:49:23 GMT -5
a quick take would be that you're treating a symptom, not the cause.
since feedback is caused by a mic picking up an amplified sound, and reamplifying it countless times, you need to analyze the physical setup of where each is located, relative to each other
1 most obviously, is there a direct line from the speakers to any mic?
If So, can the speakers be angled slightly, or the mic moved out of the projection path of the speakers
OR Are the monitors placed where they are feeding too much sound level into any mic?
2. IS SOUND BOUNCING off of walls, and back into the mic?
3. Since you successfully pretested the system, maybe there is just too loud a sound volume for the actual performance, so you're forced back to step 1 to see if you can remediate something fixable by repositioning.
4. Can a linear EQ system notch down a single offending range of frequencies?
OR MAYBE YOU'RE JUST TOO LOUD FOR THE SPACE OF THE ROOM. (fill it full of people (socially distanced) to aborb the sound).
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on May 8, 2021 17:57:51 GMT -5
Good tips from Walt.
Another possibility is the top panel may be resonant at a specific frequency, and draping the canvas over it damps the resonance and quiets it down. Try the test again while resting a hand on the top of the speaker. If that kills the feedback, use hot glue to bond some poly foam to the inside top of the speaker cab.
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Post by huck on May 9, 2021 1:43:38 GMT -5
Thanks, guys. Someone else mentioned resonant frequencies. I looked into it, and a lightbulb went off. I flattened the eq and the feedback went away. I adjusted it until it came back and backed off the high frequencies. Physics, huh?
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on May 9, 2021 22:36:58 GMT -5
Excellent!
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