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Post by Tinkerer on May 7, 2021 23:51:21 GMT -5
I have taken the covers off of a set of GFS goldfoil humbuckers and want to transplant them onto another set of humbuckers. Because of the hole configuration and slots to allow the gold foil to show and the amount of gold foil material on the top of the bobbin, I can't figure out a way to get wax or caulk cleanly between the cover and the bobbin to prevent it from becoming microphonic. I'm wondering if I can get away with not having it - if the gold foil material itself would prevent squealing? The GFS pickups were wax potted but there did not seem to be any wax between the covers and the bobbins, and I am wondering if that is because wax potting after the covers are on would make a mess of the gold foil material?
Any ideas?
Thanks!!!
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Post by pdf64 on May 8, 2021 3:40:11 GMT -5
If you have a low gain, clean tone then it may be fine. Otherwise there may be an increased tendency to microphonic howl, which can be pretty miserable.
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Post by Leftee on May 8, 2021 11:21:00 GMT -5
I think the only thing to do is try it. The coils still have their wax, correct?
I’d wager you’re going to be ok.
Fwiw my favorite HBs are the StewMac Parson Streets. They are not potted.
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Post by Tinkerer on May 8, 2021 11:30:43 GMT -5
Thank you both!!
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Post by sirWheat on May 8, 2021 17:21:47 GMT -5
I'm no expert but my understanding is that potting only deals with the pickup itself; the cover is just eye candy. I have an '84 LP studio that came with uncovered pups; I bought it in '89 and shortly thereafter installed a set of chrome covers. I knew nothing at the time and just slipped 'em on without soldering. Over the years i've taken them on and off depending on my mood and have never had any ill effects.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on May 8, 2021 17:49:54 GMT -5
The metal cover can cause a pickup to become microphonic or oscillate--even when it's made from non-ferrous material.
An easy way to re-pot the metal cover onto the pickup's bobbin is to place a strip of tape over the holes on the metal cover and lay it face down on some cardboard. Use a cheese grater to grate some paraffin wax (an ounce is about right) and put that into the cover. Use a heat gun to gently melt the wax in the cover, and then quickly press the pickup into the melted wax.
Be careful because the hot wax may gush out and get on your fingies and that will hurt.
Carefully scrape off any wax from the edges and re-solder the ground connections between the cover and base plate. Flip the pickup over and peel the tape off. Give the metal cover a good scrub with an old towel to remove any wax from the surface.
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Post by Tinkerer on May 8, 2021 19:14:51 GMT -5
Thanks guys!
I was trying to figure out a way to wax or seal the cover to the bobbin without messing up the gold foil material, so what I ended up doing was trimming the material a bit to create a border around the edge of the bobbin. I then dabbed clear caulk onto the inside of the cover so that the caulk would, hopefully, make contact with the bobbin and stay out of the visible parts of the gold foil material. It went the way I hoped it would, but too soon to tell if it accomplished the "microphonic proofing" objective.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on May 9, 2021 10:08:30 GMT -5
You're probably fine.
Fun fact: the wax potting process was initially patented by Fender. It was for microphonics, longevity, and differences in tone were acknowledged even then. As mentioned, it was intended for the coil (metal covers being rare on Fenders), and that is why it needs to get into every nook and cranny, because that wire is so fine and tight.
The necessity for wax potting in relation to the cover itself will depend on how well the cover fits. Poorly fitted or poorly attached covers will be far more likely to give you grief than one lacking potting. Usually just having enough to be a slight mute is enough, a piece of tape on the inside of the cover is a common solution. The caulk is likely more than enough if the cover seated reasonably well and is affixed to the baseplate.
I knew a guitarist who was very much a high gain half stack metal guy, and one of his guitars had Seth Lovers - covers and no wax at all. He said on occasion they'd start going a little nuts, but if he put his hand on the pickup it quieted down and he was fine. It was rare enough that it didn't hinder him using the guitar regularly on gigs. On the other hand, on the (somewhat rare) occasion that the solder joint breaks on a pickup and the baseplate separates from the bottom of the cover, you can get squealing even from moderate overdrive and volume.
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Post by pdf64 on May 9, 2021 13:29:25 GMT -5
What exactly is meant by ‘caulk’? Anything that releases fumes / vapour as it sets seems like it might cause a problem, needs thinking carefully about.
I’ve got P100s (humbucking P90s) on my Gibson 135. They’ve got plastic covers, which I’ve had to remove because they caused microphonics. The pickup microphonics were a fair bit worse than the feedback from the semi-acoustic body!
The P100s look somewhat unfinished without covers, but at least it’s just about usable with the band. I’d do something about it, but semis are too tedious to do any electrical work on that isn’t absolutely necessary.
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Post by Leftee on May 9, 2021 14:31:51 GMT -5
So...
Yes, probably, maybe, no, depends
😂
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on May 9, 2021 21:32:53 GMT -5
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