Tequila Rob
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Post by Tequila Rob on Jun 16, 2021 9:34:58 GMT -5
Is there a pedal that can get me close to achieving both guitar parts with one guitar?....I've been using a Boss Harmonist PS-6.......I've fiddled with it for months but I can't get there...
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jun 18, 2021 6:46:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure how intuitive those harmony pedals are these days but to me it seems unlikely any of them could nail the descending harmonies off of the G#m in the bridge. I recorded that tune a few years back just for grins, always been a fave.
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Post by Tequila Rob on Jun 18, 2021 10:51:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure how intuitive those harmony pedals are these days but to me it seems unlikely any of them could nail the descending harmonies off of the G#m in the bridge. I recorded that tune a few years back just for grins, always been a fave. The pedal has a lot of cool features, but nailing the harmonies isn't one of them...couldn't tell you how many hours I've spent tweaking, adjusting...
I bumped into a video of the tribute band 1964 playing it live and the guitar player nailed it by himself..
recorded in the key of E...John capo'd up to the second fret and stummed a D chord while Paul and George did the guitars with Epiphone Casino's.
one of the best Beatles song's ever.....took me hours and hours to figure it out.....
now if I could find the right pedal......
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jun 18, 2021 11:16:23 GMT -5
A very interesting oddity in the song is in the "bridge" that starts off on G#m("When your prized possessions"), and when it reaches the I chord (E)("look in my direction"), that interval to me actually feels like a IV. I used to muddle my way through a pseudo 2 guitar approach, relying on some droning open e/b notes. When I recorded my version I tried my best to understand what the 2 guitars were doing. I think there are a couple "nope-notes" that a Beatle master like Dolemite could point out, but I let them fly.
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Post by Tequila Rob on Jun 18, 2021 11:42:49 GMT -5
thanks for sharing...pretty damn good bud, nicely done...what does Dolemite know anyway?...lol...just kidding of course...
were you singing the harmonies as well or was there another person singing?... When I was recording my stuff a few years ago I did all my own singing...come to think of it I did everything!...but anyway, as the years have gone by when I listen to it now, I wish I could have had another voice to give it I bit more depth, for lack of a better word, as my voice is mediocre at best and certainly not as nice as yours....
The Beatles sure came up with some amazing stuff...I never appreciated it as much until I started to learn how to play it
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jun 18, 2021 11:55:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I did all the harmonies and such. Percussion of course is virtual (EZDrummer).
Anyway, hope someone can chime in on the pedal you seek. I know the vocal harmonizors out there can be tweaked to some more intuitive intervals, so it'd make sense that guitar pedals should be able to do the same.
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Post by LVF on Jun 18, 2021 21:20:56 GMT -5
Since this thread caught my eye, I started up my version of this song (recorded back in '12) and listened to it trying to recall how I did it and with what guitar. I recorded two tracks with at different octaves no capo involved and I used my Gretsch 6119 for both tracks. I make mistakes in it but, that just adds a bit of character in the recording. I still think it came out pretty good. The Beatles version sounds like only one guitar is playing it's so tight. I wonder if that's true?
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Post by Tequila Rob on Jun 19, 2021 9:50:38 GMT -5
The Beatles version sounds like only one guitar is playing it's so tight. I wonder if that's true? as I mentioned above, I read recently that it was Paul and George playing Epiphone Casino's...but the video I saw of the tribute band 1964 the guy did it himself...
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Post by LVF on Jun 19, 2021 10:19:37 GMT -5
If that's Paul and George playing that lead, it's flawless. Edited to add: I just watched that video you posted, Tequila Rob, so as to see how it was played and if it was any different than how I played it to maybe find an easier way to play it. The answer is...no...he played it pretty much the way I did. All over the fret board and he didn't sound too bad actually. He pretty much nailed the sound. What did he do to get 'the sound'?
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Post by zenland on Jun 19, 2021 10:57:01 GMT -5
I heard this many years ago and here is a link
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Post by LVF on Jun 19, 2021 11:48:51 GMT -5
Ok, here is my lead track I did for this song. I have edited it so there is no space between them. Less than a minute and a half long. It is not flawless like what the Beatles did (perfect) but, may be helpful...somehow(?) . Since its two guitar tracks, you can pan left or right for each sound (Doing this may be hazardous to your ears, caution is advised... ) Let's see if this works:
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Post by LVF on Jun 19, 2021 11:57:06 GMT -5
A very interesting oddity in the song is in the "bridge" that starts off on G#m("When your prized possessions"), and when it reaches the I chord (E)("look in my direction"), that interval to me actually feels like a IV. I used to muddle my way through a pseudo 2 guitar approach, relying on some droning open e/b notes. When I recorded my version I tried my best to understand what the 2 guitars were doing. I think there are a couple "nope-notes" that a Beatle master like Dolemite could point out, but I let them fly.
Hey, that sound great! I didn't see this link before.
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Post by Tequila Rob on Jun 19, 2021 12:31:13 GMT -5
Ok, here is my lead track I did for this song. I have edited it so there is no space between them. Less than a minute and a half long. It is not flawless like what the Beatles did (perfect) but, may be helpful...somehow(?) . Since its two guitar tracks, you can pan left or right for each sound (Doing this may be hazardous to your ears, caution is advised... ) Let's see if this works: Nicely done Lud.....dang man...that is a lot of friggin notes...
I don't know if the Beatles ever played it live, but the guy in the tribute band made it look effortless....it appears he was playing both parts with one hand...shoot I don't know..lol
my obsession with this song goes on
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Post by Tequila Rob on Jun 19, 2021 12:34:56 GMT -5
I heard this many years ago and here is a linkgreat article ..I didn't know they were such a twosome.. ..
I can just imagine the look on Joe's face when Ringo told him it was 2 guitars!
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Post by Vibroluxer on Jun 19, 2021 13:41:50 GMT -5
You guys that are playing this are blowing me away!! Nice work.
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Post by LVF on Jun 19, 2021 16:00:00 GMT -5
The Beatles version sounds like only one guitar is playing it's so tight. I wonder if that's true? as I mentioned above, I read recently that it was Paul and George playing Epiphone Casino's...but the video I saw of the tribute band 1964 the guy did it himself...
So, while sitting here sifting through some utube content with the iTunes playing in the background, a ruff version of AYBCS comes on via the Beatles Anthology Album. It doesn't start off with the same lead part as the finished product but, at the end the lead is played the same as on the finished product...somewhat only because its not quite the same riff. IMO, it's only one person playing that part and it sounds like what's on the finished record. YMMV, take a listen if you have this album. The thing that is the 'elephant in the room' nobody has asked is "what are they (he) using to get that sound? Only if it is played by only one of them.
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Post by Tequila Rob on Jun 20, 2021 9:07:03 GMT -5
as I mentioned above, I read recently that it was Paul and George playing Epiphone Casino's...but the video I saw of the tribute band 1964 the guy did it himself...
So, while sitting here sifting through some utube content with the iTunes playing in the background, a ruff version of AYBCS comes on via the Beatles Anthology Album. It doesn't start off with the same lead part as the finished product but, at the end the lead is played the same as on the finished product...somewhat only because its not quite the same riff. IMO, it's only one person playing that part and it sounds like what's on the finished record. YMMV, take a listen if you have this album. The thing that is the 'elephant in the room' nobody has asked is "what are they (he) using to get that sound? Only if it is played by only one of them. Ha!...had no idea I had it on my Itunes...pretty cool version...a bit more lively than the final version of it...near the end of the song is where you hear 2 different lead solos'....hard to say...it could be just George..especially since the guy in 1964 did it by himself
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jun 20, 2021 9:32:51 GMT -5
Everything I've read is its a dual guitar part played by Harrison and McCartney. Knowing the 2 parts (primarily root and 3rd) I don't think it could be executed so fluently by a single player. Not saying it can't and hasn't been done out of necessity by Beatlephiles, but I'm confident it is as reported, Paul and George. Wiki
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Post by ninworks on Jun 20, 2021 9:35:21 GMT -5
It sounds like 2 separate guitars to me. The articulations are just wrong for the harmony part to be played in a linear fashion up and down the fingerboard like the guy in the tribute band does. He nailed the tone but moving up and down the neck to get the lower harmony in place is too broken up because of the necessity to slide the 6th intervals up and down the neck. The album track is much smoother and more precise with the picking of the notes. Specifically the lower harmony part. There is a pull-off in the lower part near the end of the section that would be near impossible to do and make it sound that precise while playing both parts at once. George was pretty good but he ain't no Tommy Emmanuel and that's what it would take to execute it and make it sound the way it does on the recording IMO. I'm not sure Tommy could even do it and make it sound that way. Yes, the parts can be played all at once. No, I don't think it can be done in one pass and sound how it does on the album.
I tend to believe Ringo as well. He said there were 2 separate parts. Why would he lie about that?
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Post by HenryJ on Jun 23, 2021 10:34:47 GMT -5
Before one of my two brothers passed away two years ago, the three of us would jam on Beatles songs every December when we got our families together for Christmas. One year we got ambitious and decided to try our hands at "And Your Bird Can Sing." I don't think we nailed the tone, but we did get most of the notes right.
Sounded more like Duane and Dickey than George and Paul. But that was good enough for us. We were just jamming and having fun with it.
It might possibly be floating around on someone's Facebook page, but we don't have Facebook, and this was, I think, December 2014.
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Post by markfromhawaii on Jun 24, 2021 21:55:14 GMT -5
If you have a multi-effects peadal that has a harmonist built in, such as a Boss ME-80, you could have one preset for one key and another preset for the other. By the way, great playing guys.
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Post by Tequila Rob on Jun 25, 2021 9:57:02 GMT -5
If you have a multi-effects peadal that has a harmonist built in, such as a Boss ME-80, you could have one preset for one key and another preset for the other. By the way, great playing guys. If you have a multi-effects peadal that has a harmonist built in, such as a Boss ME-80, you could have one preset for one key and another preset for the other. By the way, great playing guys. Thanks for the tip Mark.....I will certainly explore it...but I've discovered an issue with the Boss Harmonist I'm using..I was getting a slight volume drop when hitting the pedal during the guitar solo's... One of my patch cords was flakey....correcting it has helped, but still not quite there....to make up for what I can't get I'm using a bit more reverb and OD..... still not there but getting closer!
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Post by LVF on Jun 25, 2021 14:21:10 GMT -5
Wonder if my ME 70 can do this as well ? That example of the Beatles version in my last post starts off with George's Ric 12. I believe it is used also, later in the song as it get's closer to 'the sound'.
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Post by Tequila Rob on Aug 10, 2021 10:21:39 GMT -5
thought I would provide an update....i was able to find the right setting on the pedal(after reading the manual!!)...i had tried it before but didn't think it sounded right...until i was able to play the part with a bass player.... it would sound even better with a rhythm player to fill in behind it...apparently Lennon capo'd up 2 frets and instead of starting on an E chord he started on a D....not sure why but it sounds pretty cool...
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Post by LeftyMeister on Aug 22, 2021 21:45:58 GMT -5
My cover version of AYBCS Very nice job, Larry! Great guitar tones!
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