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Post by bluzcat on Jun 21, 2021 15:22:09 GMT -5
A buddy recently received an Epi Les Paul that will intermittently go full volume on the pot regardless of the setting. It is still under warranty but he is hesitant to send it in and the pot could just be replaced. Any hope of repairing the factory one?
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Post by Leftee on Jun 21, 2021 15:37:19 GMT -5
The new ones come with CTS pots. That said, it’s surgery to fix one and not worth the effort. And odds of a successful repair are quite low.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jun 21, 2021 19:03:36 GMT -5
That is a bit bizarre of a symptom. It could be the ground is a bad connection. That wouldn't make it go full volume, but it would noticeably increase the volume and keep it from being able to turn all the way off. There also could be a stray piece of wire (like the lead going to the tone pot stripped back too far, or something else conductive) jumping across the two hot lugs on the pot. On its own I'm not sure that would do anything, but along with a goofy ground it might make that jump up to full volume more noticeable. If a person knows what to look for in terms of bad connections/cold solder joints/etc a visual inspection might show the culprit.
Replacing the pot very well may not be necessary, but replacing it would let you redo all the connections and it would likely all come out in the wash. I'm having trouble imagining a way that a pot malfunction on its own would cause this problem, except maybe if the lugs were actually losing connection to the internal components, but that is incredibly rare on new pots.
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Post by bluzcat on Jun 21, 2021 19:58:05 GMT -5
Thanks- I’ll have a look. There very well may be a stray something causing the issue.
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Post by Pinetree on Jun 22, 2021 20:30:00 GMT -5
If your buddy likes the guitar, just replace the pot.
If it gets sent back under warranty, they'll most likely just ship out a different guitar.
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Post by Leftee on Jun 23, 2021 9:18:16 GMT -5
Funky makes a great point. It is an odd failure mode.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 24, 2021 14:13:41 GMT -5
About the only way a pot (set at any place in the rotation) could go full volume is if it has a treble bypass installed across tabs 2 and 3, and the resistor/cap has failed and goes intermittent dead short.
If that were my guitar and I loved everything else about it (tone, playability, weight, feng shui, etc.), and it had a treble bypass on it, I'd snip it to see if that solved the problem. If it does, replace the TB network components.
If there's no TB, replace the volume pot. It won't be a faulty switch or tone pot.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jun 29, 2021 9:38:12 GMT -5
A buddy recently received an Epi Les Paul that will intermittently go full volume on the pot regardless of the setting. It is still under warranty but he is hesitant to send it in and the pot could just be replaced. Any hope of repairing the factory one? What was the outcome on this problem, bluzcat?
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Post by bluzcat on Jun 29, 2021 13:47:46 GMT -5
I got the guitar from him this past Wed, but have been out of town. Hope to look it over tomorrow.
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Post by bluzcat on Jul 3, 2021 21:42:20 GMT -5
Got into it today- turned out to be a cold solder joint on the volume pot. The bare ground wire going from the lug to the back of the pot was loose. Quick reflow and all seems well. Thanks for the tips!!
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Post by Pinetree on Jul 4, 2021 8:58:11 GMT -5
Yay.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jul 4, 2021 23:40:20 GMT -5
Outstanding!
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Post by bluzcat on Jul 5, 2021 0:28:04 GMT -5
He got to play it in church tonight so he was a happy guy.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jul 5, 2021 9:21:40 GMT -5
Your initial description of the guitar intermittently going to full volume at any setting on the volume pot is confusing; a bad ground connection on the pot would not cause that symptom.
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Post by bluzcat on Jul 5, 2021 22:52:56 GMT -5
Understood, that’s how the symptom seemed- the guitar sounded wide open and not controlled by turning it down. It played OK yesterday with no issues but I will keep an ear out see if the problem returns.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jul 6, 2021 0:34:05 GMT -5
"A bad ground connection on the pot would not cause that symptom."
Hmmmm
My statement above assumes the pot's resistive track (and the position of the wiper on the track) affects the voltage level of the signal. I am going to set up a little experiment to see if that statement is true or not. I could be wrong. But it should affect it because a pot is a voltage divider.
Info to follow!
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Post by pdf64 on Jul 7, 2021 3:23:03 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure that your experiment will prove your above statement incorrect eg with a 250k vol pot and 1M amp input, if the pot loses its common to 0V common, even at min - CCW setting, it can only cut 2dB off the signal level. Which is barely perceptible (it’ll probably seem more like a tone than vol control, as it will cause treble roll off as it’s turned down). Even going to a 500k vol pot and a 470k amp (or pedal) input impedance, a missing 0V common and min - CCW setting will still only cut about 6dB off the signal. Which is a fair bit, but is still only equivalent to setting most audio taper pots to about 70% (or a linear track pot to 50%).
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jul 9, 2021 20:21:37 GMT -5
When it has happened to me it has been a little noticeable, but not a lot. It is also possible that when it happened to me there was still some continuity through a cold solder joint. I don't think I've tried putting in a pot as simply a series resistor before.
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Post by bluzcat on Jul 10, 2021 11:37:55 GMT -5
We are two church services in with no issues, so hopefully it is cured regardless of cause.
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