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Post by windmill on Aug 7, 2021 21:52:20 GMT -5
Hello
Have you ever used a mute on your bass ?
In the early days of the electric bass guitar they usually came as standard equipment, not so much nowdays.
Rarely, I come across pictures of bass players with a bit of foam or material woven between the strings.
I have never seen the need as I mute with fretting hand or picking as needed.
Anyone use one or can explain why one would be needed ?
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Post by Laker on Aug 8, 2021 5:32:26 GMT -5
The first bass I purchased, a Fender Jazz bass, had adjustable felt mutes on each string. If I remember correctly (that was 58 years ago) there was about a half an inch of travel on each mute. I believe that the original reason the bridge cover on the Jazz bass was as large as it is was to cover the bridge and the mute assembly. The first thing I did was to remove the mutes.
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Post by tmc on Aug 8, 2021 19:14:22 GMT -5
I've used a sponge slice as a mute before, but don't need one much these days. But when I do, it's usually a palm mute and a pick.
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Post by ninworks on Aug 9, 2021 6:15:15 GMT -5
I have never used one but wouldn't hesitate to do so if needed. Tony Levin used a diaper as a mute for the song Don't Give Up from Peter Gabriel's "So" album. When Tony was asked why he said, "Because I decided I needed a mute and that's what I had."
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Post by hushnel on Aug 9, 2021 10:31:36 GMT -5
I use them occasionally, it kind of helps the open notes conform a bit with the fretted ones, particularly when the treble is being tweaked and the bass line is moving. Helps a bit in uniforming sustain as well. Particularly when a lot of flags are hanging off the post ♪
Hardly matters when everybody’s cranked at 12 in a 10,000 square foot dive “o)
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Post by Larry Madsen on Aug 9, 2021 10:57:59 GMT -5
I have my Warmoth G5 here in the music room and I diddle around with it a bit ... I'm certainly not a bass player. I have followed Lyland Sklar a bit in YouTube and he has mentioned that at times he will use a foam mute if the music is calling for it. My question would be: What are the common methods of muting with some mechanical method? (such as foam) I'm not sure I would know how to go about it; though I have messed around with foam a bit. I've never achieved anything that sounded beneficial or even helpful to me. My results have usually been too much dampening. I'd certainly be interested to learn the best ways to go about it.
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Post by hushnel on Aug 9, 2021 12:37:32 GMT -5
Just enough to stay in place works for me.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Aug 9, 2021 15:32:44 GMT -5
Just enough to stay in place works for me. I assume we are doing a single piece of foam between the body and the strings at the bridge. I imagine the density of the foam will make a difference as well.
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Post by Laker on Aug 10, 2021 9:47:35 GMT -5
Back in the ‘80s I picked up a video of TOP’s Rocko Prestia to learn his style of fretting and muting with the same hand and found it a real challenge. I don’t know if it was ever offered as a dvd or download so it may not be possible to find these days.
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Post by windmill on Aug 10, 2021 19:44:34 GMT -5
Does anyone know of recorded examples of muted bass strings ?
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Post by hushnel on Aug 11, 2021 9:37:51 GMT -5
Just enough to stay in place works for me. I assume we are doing a single piece of foam between the body and the strings at the bridge. I imagine the density of the foam will make a difference as well. Yes, and it’s not exactly square but close enough to hold it in place, I can twist it 90° and it slides out. I can use palm muting too, but when I’ve got all fingers working the strings I can’t palm them effectively. My right arm is a mess from various accidents over the years. The wrist will not twist, the radius bone of my forearm is fused to my elbow, along with the bicep muscle being paralyzed. The fingers all work fine, though it took a few years getting them to work properly. When I broke my neck I severed a group of nerves that worked the arm, at first I couldn’t do much with my fingers or lift my arm at all. An earlier accident shattered my right arm elbow, that’s when the radius was fused.
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Post by digiboy on Aug 11, 2021 12:48:43 GMT -5
I'm a steady mute user. I use a bit of scrap "memory foam" pushed back against the bridge. It part of "my sound" along with TI flats on my Dano shorthorn bass or on any one of several P's. Placed right, the mute lightly cuts sustain and gives more of a bloom or swell like an upright. I find it makes for a nice even consistent tone without affecting intonation.
It's a classic old school R&B sound that works well for me. Joe Osborn and Carol Kaye have recorded using foam mutes on their basses. Plenty of others. Pretty sure Jamerson used muting too but I don't know if I've ever seen any clips or photos to verify. Search around on Youtube.
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Post by tmc on Aug 11, 2021 19:27:17 GMT -5
Does anyone know of recorded examples of muted bass strings ? Here's a clip of Bob Babbit playing with a mute. At the end of the clip you can see what looks to be a foam mute by his bridge.
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Post by windmill on Aug 13, 2021 21:03:28 GMT -5
Thanks for posting teh video.
I have thought that mutes would be used when recording, to prevent sympathetic vibrations from open strings,possibly moreso when recording direct.
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Post by hushnel on Aug 14, 2021 10:15:30 GMT -5
I hadn’t thought about that, I guess I must of at one time though, I usually mute the strings I’m not actively playing with my fretting hand, likely because of exactly that. Even when everyone is going direct with headphones playing the bass itself will vibrate strings not actively being used. Maybe one of the reasons I’ve never taken to the five string. Have one and used it, but still I prefer the 4 string.
The five string was making me lazy, I could cover just about everything at the 5th fret position. I was starting to Play less of the neck. My fault not the instruments.
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Post by jeffscott on Aug 14, 2021 12:47:53 GMT -5
I have a piece of neoprene I occasionally put under the strings but most of the time I simple palm-mute when needed. Another technique I use sometimes is fretting hand muting using a finger gently against the string as I fret it with an adjacent finger, kind of a variation on what Rocco Prestia would do.
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Post by morrow on Aug 27, 2021 9:48:30 GMT -5
I have a couple of older basses with built in mutes , I rarely dial them in . Many friends use sponge mutes for that old school thump . It’s funny how everybody goes on about sustain one minute , and muting the next . I’m fussy about note length , and don’t care much for sustain .
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Post by HenryJ on Aug 27, 2021 19:00:33 GMT -5
I have never seen the need as I mute with fretting hand or picking as needed.
Anyone use one or can explain why one would be needed ?
To explain why one would be needed: To sound more like a double bass (upright bass AKA string bass). Double basses have a fast decay time. For a long time, it was in a lot of people's heads (including mine) that the double bass makes the ultimate bass sound. A fast decay is more likely to be cleaner.
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Post by twangmeister on Sept 7, 2021 12:03:39 GMT -5
I used a home-made foam mute with my 71 Jazz bass on some songs shortly after I bought it. This was to get some extra thump on certain songs. Since I used it during gigs it took a little extra time and some dexterity to get it in place between songs. I gave up on it after a couple of weeks.
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