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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 23:17:32 GMT -5
First Post.
I recently acquired a Twin Tone Master which I am very pleased with. One thing I noticed, right away, is my overdrive
effects just don't react in the same way as with my tube amp. It's my understanding OD FX are designed to push the tubes
and cause them to distort, but in the digital realm they sound weak & thin, to my ears. I guess my question is, are
there any OD, distortion effects, designed to work specifically with a digital amp? Thanks.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Aug 30, 2021 17:59:36 GMT -5
thanks for the post. I have considered the tone master for giging because of the light weight but now no way
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Post by justin on Aug 31, 2021 11:59:30 GMT -5
I have the Deluxe Reverb version and it really likes any drive pedal I've put in front of it. Tones are nice and full. I'm not sure if the Twin reacts any differently. What I like to do is to set the 'clean' volume of the amp so that it's barely breaking up and sounds healthy all on its own. That makes it easy for the pedals to push things over the edge. Use the attenuation knob on the back to get you in the volume range you need to be in.
I currently have these on my board:
JHS Mini Foot Fuzz v2
Wampler Tumnus
Keeley Super Phat Mod
The good ol Boss DS-1 works well too, if you're into that sound. YMMV
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Post by reverendrob on Sept 1, 2021 3:37:55 GMT -5
I'm happily using a germanium Rangemaster clone (and a Bee Baa boost circuit) in front of my little cheap Katana.
How well an amp handles a particular pedal varies, but it also depends on the software, and the Rangemaster doesn't sound NEARLY as good in front of the Mustang V (which likely is the granddaddy of the algos used in the Tone Masters).
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Post by pdf64 on Sept 1, 2021 7:03:09 GMT -5
It's my understanding OD FX are designed to push the tubes and cause them to distort, but in the digital realm they sound weak & thin, to my ears Have you turned the amp channel bright switch off, or at least turned the channel vol up high enough that the bright cap isn't having an excessive effect? As justin advises, apply some attenuation on the back panel to get the desired SPL. |
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Sept 1, 2021 17:54:01 GMT -5
I have the Deluxe Reverb version and it really likes any drive pedal I've put in front of it. Tones are nice and full. I'm not sure if the Twin reacts any differently. What I like to do is to set the 'clean' volume of the amp so that it's barely breaking up and sounds healthy all on its own. That makes it easy for the pedals to push things over the edge. Use the attenuation knob on the back to get you in the volume range you need to be in. I currently have these on my board: JHS Mini Foot Fuzz v2 Wampler Tumnus Keeley Super Phat Mod The good ol Boss DS-1 works well too, if you're into that sound. YMMV which delux version do you have and how do you like it thks |
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Post by justin on Sept 2, 2021 14:08:00 GMT -5
I have the Deluxe Reverb version and it really likes any drive pedal I've put in front of it. Tones are nice and full. I'm not sure if the Twin reacts any differently. What I like to do is to set the 'clean' volume of the amp so that it's barely breaking up and sounds healthy all on its own. That makes it easy for the pedals to push things over the edge. Use the attenuation knob on the back to get you in the volume range you need to be in. I currently have these on my board: JHS Mini Foot Fuzz v2 Wampler Tumnus Keeley Super Phat Mod The good ol Boss DS-1 works well too, if you're into that sound. YMMV which delux version do you have and how do you like it thk I have the black version with the Jensen speaker and the firmware described below: ToneMaster_Deluxe_RvbMod_NoBrightCap1.1.35Modified reverb control for easier fine tuning at lower settings.
No bright cap on vibrato channel for smoother treble response when using overdrive and distortion pedals at lower settings.
Jensen N12K speaker line out IRs captured with Shure SM57 and Royer 121 microphones.I happen to love this amp. I got rid of a Vox AC15 for this and have no regrets. I cannot really comment on how it compares to a real tube version, as I haven't played a tube DR in many years. However whatever the Tone Master delivers, I'm in to it. The reverb and trem are great and I think the best feature is the attenuation. I haven't played in a band in 15 years so this is a great home-use amp that can get loud when duty calls (if it calls!). At the 0.2 watt setting, you can get full harmonically rich sound at very reasonable volume. That's where I keep it 99% of the time to be honest. I used to go out the the garage and woodshed on various tube half stacks. As a 40-something homeowner I'm more careful with my ears now and more respectful of my neighbors. As a teenager living at home I had no shame! |
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Post by DrKev on Sept 3, 2021 7:37:08 GMT -5
I am not aware of any pedals that are designed to work with a digital amp. It doesnlt make sense to do so any more than it makes sense to design a pedal to work only with an orange amp, or a vox. Tubes are not magic. It's not rocket science and digital electronics can now make anything sound good with anything. My little Yamaha THR5 takes pedals beautifully. I would expect the Tone Master amps to work as well with pedals as the tube resissues do (and most of the reviews I've seen suggest that they do). BUT... I find the biggest question is how the speaker is voiced and how the EQ and gain stages are designed. If you are comparing two different amplifiers, pedals will react differently, no matter which technology the amps use, because the amplifiers are different. I have pedals that sound fantastic with some amplifiers (or amp models on my THR5) and suck (to my ears) with others. And I always have to adjust my pedal settings if I switch to another amp or speaker and I cannot expect the same results even when I do make adjustments. It's like cooking. Yeah, maybe I always use the same carrots and potatoes and chilis (the pedals) but I can't expect the same results when I use different meats (different amplifiers). And I will have to adjust the seasoning (the pedal settings) depending on which meat I use. And nothing I do will make the beef stew taste like lamb stew. But I will adjust the seasoning to make a beef stew that I like best, and have a slightly different seasoning for a lamb stew that I like best. And maybe I will decide that carrot and lamb are just not a combination I like. Then I'll go shopping for another pedal.  |
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Post by jaxjaxon on Sept 3, 2021 13:50:39 GMT -5
I use Fender digital amps G Dec and for the tube OD sound I use a Tube OD or preamp pedal the kind that has a preamp tube in them, you can change out the tube to one you prefer for more or less gain and different tone effect.
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Post by Leftee on Sept 3, 2021 13:58:57 GMT -5
Are the Tonemaster amps digital? Or is the signal path analog with digital effects?
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Post by DrKev on Sept 3, 2021 14:26:09 GMT -5
They are digital.
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Post by pcalu on Sept 25, 2021 10:40:12 GMT -5
thanks for the post. I have considered the tone master for giging because of the light weight but now no way From the premise of a guitarist who's a musical anachronistic Digital amps IMO.. are attempting to copy an "Organic Analog process" of amplification. I.e. gas filled triodes consisting of three electrodes inside an evacuated glass envelope: a heated filament or cathode, a grid, and a plate. It's Analog Fluid dynamics vs Computational fluid dynamics. just not the same. Never will be... I still have NOT found anything digital that has all the characteristics of a decent valve amp. So far, all have fallen short with me on the organic and feel parameters... |
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Oct 2, 2021 19:05:12 GMT -5
can you get feed back when your in front of the amp like you can a tube amp?
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Post by reverendrob on Oct 3, 2021 6:04:57 GMT -5
You can get feedback in front of ANY amp at sufficient placement and room dynamics and the guitar in question.
I got beautiful, blooming, musical feedback during a Mojave recording session in a tile room with a Les Paul and a solid state Boss Katana 50 mk II.
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