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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 25, 2020 20:38:25 GMT -5
Want to have your mind blown?
Mr. Wooten brings some interesting perspectives to playing in a group situation. You don't have to be a bassist to put these gold nuggets and pearls into your own trick bag.
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Post by LesTele on Jan 25, 2020 20:52:54 GMT -5
I took a few things from this.
1 Buy music.
2 Mr Wooten is awesome
3 I’m very cool because of the number of wrong notes I play
4 Buy a Big Green Egg
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Post by gbfun on Jan 26, 2020 22:12:19 GMT -5
Gee...wrong notes are cool ?
I think my lifespan just increased tremendously.
Gotta say, that's a pretty awesome clip !
And now my neck is tired.
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Post by windmill on Jan 27, 2020 6:28:09 GMT -5
I wish I had Victor as my teacher when I was 13 years old.
He is as pure a musician as I've ever seen or heard.
And he sounds like a good bloke.
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Post by mikem on Jan 27, 2020 8:46:21 GMT -5
A fine example of a bassist thinking melodically...... The video is an excellent example of a musician's approach to playing bass as opposed to a "player's approach".
All good stuff.
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Post by Opie on Jan 27, 2020 8:52:09 GMT -5
Good stuff, really well put.
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Post by tiedyeddevil on Jan 28, 2020 21:00:47 GMT -5
Awesome video.
I can also recommend his book: "The Music Lesson: A Search for Spiritual Growth Through Music".
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Post by twangmeister on Feb 1, 2020 20:29:59 GMT -5
I found out that I had ADD in my early 60s.
I then knew why I sometimes got a bit lost in a song and while playing a chart. I developed an ability to work my lapses in to my bass lines. The audience thought I was creative. Too bad it wasn't as easily accomplished with my guitar soloing.
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Post by walshb 🦒 on Feb 17, 2020 15:46:04 GMT -5
Just stumbled across this "old" thread. Very cool video! Thanks for posting! Makes you think outside the box.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 17, 2020 16:09:12 GMT -5
It certainly does. I particularly like his analogy of having a musical 'conversation' with other players.
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Post by jazzguy on Feb 17, 2020 16:23:14 GMT -5
'It's not the note you play that's the wrong note – it's the note you play afterwards that makes it right or wrong.'
-Miles Davis
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Post by hushnel on Feb 18, 2020 9:32:29 GMT -5
One of the most relevant classes I had with Victor was the couple of hours spent on how their really aren’t any wrong notes. He explained that the only thing wrong was screwing up the groove when you go looking for the right one. He explained how you are never more than a half step away in either direction to a correct note, that you have a better than a 50% chance of hitting a right note anywhere on the fingerboard. Even the in between notes available on the fretless are available as long as the grove isn’t screwed with.
A while back at rehearsal we finished a tune and Brownie, the Mandolin player and lead singer, looked at me and said were did that great jazz riff come from. I didn’t know what he was talking about, then I realized I totally missed and screwed up a bridge and I started laughing, in this passing screw up I kept the groove solid and just played past the the bad notes until I was back to where I needed to be, without even thinking about it. I said to Brownie if you ever hear me breaking into a jazz type riff, I’m lost but I’ll be home soon, he just said well you need to do that more often.
Can you even begin to imagine how much confidence that simple idea can add to your playing. No bad notes only bad technique. It’s coming up on two years since I spent 7 days with Victor, Chuck Rainey, Anthony Wellington, Steve Bailey, Dave Welsh and crew. Every one I’ve played with since that week has commented on my growth as a player. I’m still growing and learning from that week at Wooten Woods.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 18, 2020 11:03:39 GMT -5
I've been using jazz as an excuse to explain my screw-ups for many years. While on the surface it's intended to be funny, but it really captures what Wooten talked about: you're only a half step away from a 'right' note, and passing notes add chromaticism and flow to the sound.
Part of the challenge for me is not making an 'oops I messed up' face when it happens. I can't remember who said it--some famous musician--but the quote goes something like this. "If you hit a wrong note once, it's a mistake. Twice, it's jazz."
And this has been attributed to Ludwig Van B: "To play a wrong note is insignificant; to play without passion is inexcusable."
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Post by hushnel on Feb 18, 2020 12:17:51 GMT -5
You actually get to the point were the opps face is irrelevant, There are no mistakes just bad form, according to Victor and observed by me. He demonstrated it by playing along with a tract consisting of a drum set and, I believe, a piano. First play along he did with 0 proper notes / scales for the chords, the first time around it had a strange kind of sound but the ear quickly made sense of it, Then he played along with the tract using all the correct notes but bad technique and it sound like crap. I would never have imagined that he could play crappy but that’s just how good he really is.
My intention was just going up to Nashville, visiting with my brother and his family, hanging out with Victor and crew for a week and maybe some mojo would rub off on me. I had no clue, I figured my feral understanding of music would severely limit me but it actually had 0 derogatory affect. Everything they taught and discussed was right to the heart of playing better. Very little was discussed by the instructors that I didn’t understand. The questions the other students asked, some along the lines of see how smart I am, were answered in a way that even I understood what was going on. I know the neck and my way around the fingerboard, I have exceptional timing and perception, and the roadblocks or weaknesses developed over all the years of playing were quickly identified and dropped from my playing.
The food alone was worth the $1,000 it cost for a week with these phenomenal bassists. Where are you going to stay in Nashville and eat like a king for 7 days for less than a grand?
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