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Post by LVF on Oct 28, 2021 13:15:52 GMT -5
I'm on the ragged edge in picking one of these up from Sweetwater. My candy treats are diminishing. I need a new guitar like I need another hole in my head but, there is the old calling sounding like the Ricola dude. I was looking at an LP in 'Bourbon Burst' but, if I got one, it would have to have the '57 Classic buckers but, I'm open to listening to those experienced with the Burst buckers, the Bourbon Burst is only available with these. So, I'm looking at one in 'Ice Tea' which, appears close in color. They differ in neck profiles as well. One is the '50's style which, I presume, is the baseball bat style and the other being a '60's model with a more slender neck profile. Anyway, I've 'danced' around with owning LP types over the years but, other than the Epi I have with the single cut, iconic body profile, I've only owned a DC style by Gibson. I believe there are certain guitars one should own at least once in their lives and the iconic LP is one. I've been thinking about this purchase for a long time and I'm in the phase of having 'itchy finger'. I'm so close that I could possibly pull the trigger even before I get an answer to my question. I will try to resist while I wait but, it won't be easy. So, to recap, what's the difference between the two humbuckers above and which neck profile do you like and why? Thanks.
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Post by Leftee on Oct 28, 2021 13:44:14 GMT -5
I've got a '17 LP Trad with the Burstbuckers and a '17 LP Tribute HP with the Classic/Classic+ combo.
For the classic LP tone, I like the BBs more. The coils on the each of the pickups are not wound an equal number of turns. The slug coil in each pickup has about 200 more turns than the screw coil. The BBs also are not wax-potted.
This, IMO, is a big part of traditional LP tones.
I like the fatter '50s neck. I've had the slim-taper profile neck, before, and it's OK. There's not as much difference between than teh Innerwebs portends. It's not like the slim-taper is Wizard-thin.
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Post by LVF on Oct 28, 2021 13:59:12 GMT -5
Thanks for that, Leftee. I have '57 classics in my es 345 so as far as that guitar type goes, I like the tone of the '57's. I'm not familiar with the Burst buckers which is why I'm asking about the difference. The '50's style LP is the one I really want as Gibson has taken a step back, as it were and are making these in the original construction. Not sure the Burst buckers are available in the '50's style. I have run across one at least. I don't think I could go wrong with either pick up, having experience with one type anyway. I'll do some further research into the availability of Burst buckers in the '50's style. Thanks PS, it would seem the '50's LP is available with the Burst buckers but, I think I want to go with the '57's. Here's something that I found hilarious Sweetwater put down as a tactic to coax a purchase. Read how ridiculous this is: Great Pick! 3846476 people have this specific guitar (serial ) in their cart. Order now before it's gone! Almost 4 million people have this in their cart! LOL!!
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Post by Leftee on Oct 28, 2021 14:26:59 GMT -5
Typically the Trads come with Burstbuckers. Or at least they did prior to new management.
Trads are also not weight-relieved.
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Post by LVF on Oct 28, 2021 16:09:41 GMT -5
So, Burstbuckers were OEM on '50's LP's? I'm looking for what was used on them in the '50's that aren't P90's. I'm leaning toward the '57's. My cart is full but, it is in limbo. Que the song...
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Post by Leftee on Oct 28, 2021 16:17:55 GMT -5
The BBS are closer to the original PAF.
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Post by LVF on Oct 28, 2021 16:46:00 GMT -5
Interesting. I had to go look up the history on the LP and noted that they didn't use buckers until 1957. So, I guess I'm going to have to find some kind of comparison between the BB's and the '57 classics, not that you haven't been a great help, Leftee. This all seems rather confusing because I was thinking the '57 classics would be of the original design. Back then, I doubt Gibson would have designed guitar specific pick ups. However from what you say, Leftee, it sounds like the BB's a better fit to the originals. At this point I'm at: Enee menee mynee moe...
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Post by Leftee on Oct 28, 2021 17:38:35 GMT -5
The BBs are slightly different. It’s the mismatched coils and no wax potting. They have that lovely snotty mid-range through a Marshall.
I always wondered why they named the ‘57 Classic as they did.
I also use the StewMac Parsons Street HBs as they are a great approximation of the PAF. They also have unbalanced coils and are not potted.
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Post by Leftee on Oct 28, 2021 19:59:29 GMT -5
Well… ?
😜
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Oct 28, 2021 20:08:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't quite call the '50s neck a baseball bat, but everyone is a bit different. A bit more chunk, but not bad. I'm a bit biased since I prefer larger necks.
I'm not a fan of the 57 Classics - a tad too hot, too boomy and flat. But, plenty of people love them. They aren't bad in a solid body, they're a bit janky and weird in hollow/semi-hollow bodies. I'd take the Burst Buckers over it any day. The '57 Classics are to my ears just a generic low-medium powered humbucker and not really all that great in terms of being a PAF clone. I've had two 335s and put Seth Lovers in both, the guitars was a bit unwieldy with the 57Cs. I also really like the Lollar Imperials. If you want a dead-nuts replica of a PAF, expect to pay a high price. A one-man company called Stevens Design does some pretty good ones.
Also, you can change pickups way easier than you can change finish or necks. Just sayin'.
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Post by LVF on Oct 28, 2021 20:29:52 GMT -5
Ok, I answered the call of the Ricola man and ordered a 50's LP Standard in Ice Tea AAA flame flavor and...with the '57 classics. I could have gone either way with the buckers but, I decided on these with the flip of a coin, literally, heads, '57's, tails, BB's. It was heads . Should be here by next Thursday. I'll give this one a try. I'll know if I made the right choice in the first 5 or 10 minutes of playing. I'll play it through my Silvertone 1484. Played my 345 with the '57's through it and it was glorious. We'll see if the new LP follows suit. Thank you, Leftee, for your valuable input. It will not be forgotten. Crazy man, signing out.
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Post by LVF on Oct 28, 2021 20:44:40 GMT -5
Thanks Funkyki----, for your input but, it's a done deal and I always think in terms of making a change, down the road, if needed. The '57's are hot and may not be what I want in an LP so, options are open. If I had my choice, I would have gone down to my local shop and tried both of them out but, that's not an option plus, the one I ordered is an 'exclusive' from Sweetwater. Maybe I'll get two candy packs because of that! Thanks Signed, Still crazy after all these posts...
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Post by Leftee on Oct 28, 2021 20:50:26 GMT -5
Pictures or it didn’t happen.
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Post by LVF on Oct 29, 2021 8:32:40 GMT -5
Pictures, Pictures, Pictures? Well...I don't have it yet so, I can't take no stinking pictures! The only thing I have is the link to what I ordered.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Oct 29, 2021 10:13:08 GMT -5
Ok, I answered the call of the Ricola man and ordered a 50's LP Standard in Ice Tea AAA flame flavor and...with the '57 classics. I could have gone either way with the buckers but, I decided on these with the flip of a coin, literally, heads, '57's, tails, BB's. It was heads . Should be here by next Thursday. I'll give this one a try. I'll know if I made the right choice in the first 5 or 10 minutes of playing. I'll play it through my Silvertone 1484. Played my 345 with the '57's through it and it was glorious. We'll see if the new LP follows suit. Thank you, Leftee, for your valuable input. It will not be forgotten. Crazy man, signing out. If after five or ten minutes you're not sure if you like them, do this: adjust them slightly lower and make sure you adjust the individual poles. So, with standard electric strings with a plain G, it will be the low E and G low, the A and B about medium, and the D and high E higher. This balances the individual string volume, and has the effect of cleaning up a clunky sounding humbucker. Pretty much no factory sets pole pieces, and Gibson's standard setup has the pickups (especially the bridge) too high.
I'd be more likely to be displeased by the pickups in a 345 than in an LP, so if you like it in the 345 you're probably going to be very happy.
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Post by Leftee on Oct 29, 2021 10:13:45 GMT -5
Pictures, Pictures, Pictures? Well...I don't have it yet so, I can't take no stinking pictures! The only thing I have is the link to what I ordered. We have to start the harassment at the earliest opportunity.
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Post by LVF on Oct 29, 2021 10:21:49 GMT -5
I have my man card. I can take it.
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Post by Leftee on Oct 29, 2021 10:42:49 GMT -5
Nice guitar! I like the burst too. Great colors! My Trad (which I guess is the Standard in the "new" world of Gibson) is Antique Burst. It's a bit subtle and wouldn't have been my first choice. I found the guitar all minty-mint on the Reverb for a nice price, so I made it mine. It's a great playing/sounding LP.
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Post by LVF on Oct 29, 2021 11:36:33 GMT -5
That's really nice looking, Leftee. The natural flame maple look is a favorite of mine. Thumbs up on that one!
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Oct 29, 2021 12:47:50 GMT -5
I think the 58 VOS in Bourbon Burst would be my "won the lotto" LP, but that 50's Iced Tea is a beaut too.
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Post by Leftee on Oct 29, 2021 12:51:42 GMT -5
It’s not quite a natural finish. It is close, though.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Oct 29, 2021 13:04:08 GMT -5
Is that lemonburst?
NM, reread your post.
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Post by LVF on Oct 29, 2021 13:36:11 GMT -5
It’s not quite a natural finish. It is close, though. Ah, I see. Had to break out my hand held vanity mirror. It gave me a better perspective.
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Post by LVF on Oct 31, 2021 9:46:08 GMT -5
Sweetwater has great customer care as you may know. When you purchase a guitar, they have the pics of YOUR guitar that they send to you for download during the process. The pic below is an example. I'm putting this pic up because since I bought this particular guitar, the link I provided earlier no longer shows mine. Mine seems to have a unique finger print with the streaks that can be seen in the flame maple. Of course, it will be confirmed once I have the guitar in hand. I'll have pics with proof coming up. In the meantime, it also looks like the fret board is a little dry. I can fix that.
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Post by Leftee on Oct 31, 2021 13:01:38 GMT -5
I saw this one before they took the link down. I love the top. It is distinctive.
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Post by LVF on Oct 31, 2021 16:38:37 GMT -5
Yes. Now, if I was a famous guitar slinger, this might be my 'signature' guitar. I would make it so because of it's distinctiveness, which may make it hard to duplicate. Such is not the case though. I toil through being only famous in my own mind.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Nov 2, 2021 1:27:39 GMT -5
Very nice! Everybody should have at least one killer Les Paul in their stable.
Took me years to find mine. I've had no LP GAS [heh!] since I got it.
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Post by LVF on Nov 2, 2021 9:13:29 GMT -5
To quote that dude on the gold commercial: "Everybody should own some LP" Later today, I should have mine [laughs maniacally]
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Post by reverendrob on Nov 2, 2021 10:01:41 GMT -5
Very nice! Everybody should have at least one killer Les Paul in their stable. Took me years to find mine. I've had no LP GAS [heh!] since I got it. Agreed. I found my unicorn, and bought its sister (born a couple weeks apart) as the specs of the line were so oddball I knew I'd regret not having a backup. But I play the sister FAR more than the original now, and haven't bought a guitar since.
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Post by LVF on Nov 2, 2021 14:36:19 GMT -5
Ok. Got the LP a little while ago. Somebody, other than me, signed for it. Not familiar with who that was. At any rate, it's here. On the outer box it says not to open for 24 ours so it gets acclimated to my climate change but, since I don't believe in that horse manure, I immediately opened it up. Actually, I took it's temperature and then...I opened it up. Not enough of a difference to warrant 24 hours. However, I'm leaving it in the case for now but, not before I unloaded all the 'goodies' for examination. The all important candy treat is present. I had no idea Gibson gives you a multitool with more than everything you need to make adjustments and such. Well put together and pretty fancy. I got no such thing with my es 345. A nice black leather guitar strap with Gibson logo as well. The guitar is the exact one pictured above but, I'll take a few more for display later on. I was really wanting to give the neck a once over to make sure it was not cracked. It isn't. All in all the guitar appears to be in fine shape, initially. Further examination will be in order after a brief acclimation period. More to follow... My new LP is now acclimated to my house temp and so, I took it for a little spin. I said earlier that I would know within the first 5 or 10 minutes if this LP was the one. Well...it's a keeper for sure. First of all, they did an exceptional set up on this guitar. I've never seen or played a 'plek'd' guitar but, if this LP is an example of that process, it's outstanding. It plays so smooth. The other thing that I was wondering about was my choice of pick ups which were chosen by the flip of a coin. I have '57 classics on my es 345 and with the varitone that guitar has, the first position is really hot. I didn't want that in the pickups for the LP. What I got was a set of pickups that make the sound I was hoping for. Clean with a snarl or growl when needed and it does that with out pedals or enhancements without needing to crank the volume. I also want to say that Gibson put out a quality guitar in this LP. No flaws found to this point. The only thing I might improve are the neck inlays. Not a fan of the dull look. I'd pay a little more the them to be in abalone. Other that that, this LP seems to be perfect.
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