I’ve seen people talking about 9mm huns that are regular size, compact, or ultra compact.
Obviously, the more compact, the easier to carry. I get that. Other than for self image/ego reasons, why would one want the full size one? Easier to aim? Different kickback? Further distance? More “stopping power” even though it’s the same caliber?
Not that I plan on owning any, but I like to know stuff and I don’t know the answer to this.
Post by rok-a-bill-e on Jun 10, 2020 17:09:24 GMT -5
The full size gun is built for function such as how it fits your hand, how many rounds it can hold, how visible are the sights, and yes if carried in an outside holster then the weight is not as much of an issue to carry and that weight helps tame recoil, which is both more comfortable but more important speeds up the second shot. The concealable versions compromise some or all of that to some degree, and the more concealable it is then the greater the compromise.
Post by Mike the marksman on Jun 11, 2020 9:55:51 GMT -5
full size guns are easier to shoot and aim, are more accurate, and hold more ammo. The compact guns sacrifice those qualities for concealability. Want something to carry concealed? Get a compact. Want a home defense/nightstand gun or something for target shooting? Get a fullsize.
Think of the old derringers of the wild west saloon days- You had to be within a few feet of someone to hit them with it, and it didn't do much damage, but it fit in a coat pocket and disabled them long enough for you to get away.
I considered the Sig Sauer P365 and the Glock G43 both 9mm compacts. If I had to choose now I would go with the G43 for accuracy and reliability. My Son in law said his P365 is 5" off at 15 yards. He has no issues with his Glocks on Accuracy. I do notice my Sig P238 (365's little brother .380) has about the same issue. Both are hammer C O C K E D striker. My Sig P320 Carry is a striker fired is accurate (I am not extreme shot) as I can put 4 rapid fire shots in a 3 to 4" diameter at 15 yards. It just seems to want to go right back to where it was. The Trigger is straight and flat forward sitting and is the best trigger pull I have used. Also it has an extensive duckbill that wraps right over the soft area between the thumb and forefingers and I feel is one of the reasons it returns to previous position so effortlessly. I also find it to be the easiest gun to strip and clean as its firing section is modular and comes right out as a unit making it easy to clean. It is considered to be the "gun" itself as they stamp the serial number right on it and shows out a small rectangular window in the grip module. This also allows you to change to another barrel or outer grip module to change size, Magazine capacity, barrel kits, caliber. Mine from a 9mm to .357 or .40 cal. Stock Magazine is 17 round but have extended 21 round capacities also. I think the magazine and grip modules come in 10 or 15 round also.
The P365 has a similar fire control unit to the P320. It is the P320's 'little brother', not the P238's 'big brother'. It has the same modularity - the only real difference is on the P365, you remove a pin to extract the FCU where on the P320, it's the takedown lever that retains the FCU. In fact, I'm about to swap my P365's grip module with one from the P365XL.
Hey TomL, I was looking at gun sales the other day and realized my mistake in saying my P238 was the little brother to the P365. It is the little brother of the P938 9mm pocket gun. LOL
I got a new Smith and Wesson M&P Shield EZ 9 mm recently. Had nothing else that size so had to buy holsters and accessories. Really nice gun and yes everything about it is EZ ! Of course all of the outdoor shooting areas around us have been closed for fire danger or covid fear. Got in two shooting sessions before they closed so I know the gun works but havent been able to get good with it. Seems to shoot low and to the left. In other gun news I refinised the stock on an old Marlin .22 semi auto rifle. It got run over by a car. Lukily it was in a soft case so there were just a few spots in the finish. Had some nice rosewood stain left over from a guitar build so I used that and then many coats of satin clear. Came out better than oiginal.
Post by Mike the marksman on Jul 1, 2020 7:24:16 GMT -5
I bought a new gun yesterday, an H&K P30L.
I wanted a full-size polymer 9mm that ISN'T a Glock. I narrowed my choices down to the Sig P320 Xfull or H&K P30L, and figured I'd buy whichever one I could find first and be perfectly happy either way. Nobody had the Xfull in stock so I got the HK. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but will this weekend:)
Also, for any given caliber, the longer the barrel the higher the velocity. That's why Dirty Harry carried that long model 29. And, of course, it's more intimidating to the bad guys.
The now iconic revolver carried by Inspector "Dirty" Harry Callahan (Clint Eastwood) in the film is a Smith & Wesson Model 29, chambered in .44 Magnum. As the script originally called for a S&W Model 29 with a 4" barrel, this eventually proved troublesome for the filmmakers, since the Model 29 was no longer in production at the time. Before shooting began, Eastwood contacted Bob Sauer (then a representative for Smith & Wesson) to acquire the gun for the film. It was a challenge, but Fred Miller at the plant had a couple assembled from parts eventually. To better familiarize himself with the weapon's handling and recoil, Eastwood took one to a gun range and fired live rounds through it. Unlike the gun in the script, the only barrels acquired for the guns in this film were the 8 3/8" barrel and the 6 1/2" barrel. Both can be seen used in some scenes. The blanks it fired were custom made since the 5-in-1 blank didn't fit the chambers. It is said scriptwriter John Milius was presented with one of the actual guns used in the film as a gift later on.
Post by Mike the marksman on Jul 1, 2020 11:50:50 GMT -5
I thought the line from 'Magnum Force' was interesting, when the motorcycle cops at the range were asking Harry what loads he uses in his .44- "I use a light special, it gives me better control and less recoil than a .357 with wadcutters".
I took it to mean .44 special. Of course most moviegoers have no idea what he's talking about. That, and as part of his "do you feel lucky" quote he proclaims it as the world's most powerful handgun and that's not a .44 special.
Got some family coming into town from the West Coast for the holiday and they wanted to shoot. I blew through most of my 9mm the other day and went out on an ammo run today.
Happened upon a Windham AR-15 with the carbon fiber barrel at a local dealer. I've been looking for a S/W MP15 Sport for a while but everywhere has been sold out. The guy at the store convinced me that this was worth the $200 extra so 15 minutes later it followed me out the door with a 1000rd can of 5.56x45 NATO and a few extra 30 rnd mags.
Just put some SIG Sauer flip up sights on it and looking forward to shooting it Friday.
Post by Mike the marksman on Jul 2, 2020 6:48:31 GMT -5
I've had a stripped AR lower laying around for a few years, waiting to be built up. I have so many other expensive hobbies that whenever I have extra money that I could use to build up an AR I'm usually deep into something else at the moment. One of these days..
Post by rok-a-bill-e on Jul 2, 2020 14:50:04 GMT -5
44 Specials feel mild even out of a light Charter Arms Bulldog. I let a friend try mine and he thought it was easier on the hand than his Smith K frame with .38+P. But they are pricey if you don't reload.
Swampyankee, take a look at Military Surplus firearms.
Given your love of vintage Motorcycles, you might get the bug for Milsurps. Some of those old beaters still shoot great.
They can be quirky and may seem to have crude workmanship (especially most WARSAW PACT stuff) but many are reliable and still good enough to hit a plate from across the street, at the very least. And many are stone dead accurate out to way way out there.
Many are chambered in 9mm, so ammo will always be available. It's a good start-point and won't break the bank. There are expensive ones, too, like a WWI or WWII 1911, but there are lots of weapons of more humble origins that are just a few bills.
I "acquired" a pitted and beat CZ 75 in Iraq. I washed it under a hose, lubed it, and it shot great with one of the smoothest actions I've ever felt. I couldn't keep it, but I found one on Bud's Gun Shop e-store. Holds 16 rounds of 9mm, and is my home defense pistol.
Post by reverendrob on Jul 3, 2020 19:45:29 GMT -5
I loved them until they got more expensive than the commercial things - the "good cheap rifle" category is now dominated by the Savage cheapies and whatnot, and there's a plethora of < $300 new manufacture pistols that work now, versus that didn't in the old days in that price range.
Occasional stuff comes in cheap and decent - the Beretta .32s etc of late being a big noteworthy thumbs up.
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CZ fan here, I have the 75 Compact PCR and a ‘87 “Pre-B” 85, which is the ambridextrous version of the 75. Wiredog, a friend of mine tried to “acquire” one in the first Gulf War but had to turn it in. He loved it so much he later found one very similar stateside.