TBird
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Post by TBird on Feb 9, 2020 7:46:15 GMT -5
I love Les Pauls. The look, the sound, the whole package. EXCEPT for some models with frets that slope down towards the binding. I know it's my bad technique that causes me to push the high E downwards, where it often goes off the end of the fret at that slope. I've had a 2017 LP Deluxe, a 2015 ES Memphis LP and a 2010 SG Elegant all with the same issue. Get going with some hammer on/pull off riffs on that E string and I feel the string slide off the fret, just enough to kill the sound or buzz it out.
Other people have tried the same guitars I have this problem with and have no trouble at all. LP's with frets that are cut squared to the fretboard don't do this, although it does occasionally happen even with a Strat or Tele.
Short of revamping my style of play, I will likely be selling these guitars. It's very distracting to have this happen in a live performance, and, believe me, I'm easily distracted. But maybe someone here has a solution???
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 9, 2020 14:50:36 GMT -5
A few options:
1. Have a refret done with squarer ends.
2. If you currently have tall frets (modern Gibson), they can be mildly planed to increase the length of the top surface of the frets and give you a smidge more playing surface on the ends of the frets.
3. Get six replacement bridge saddles without string notches. Swap them into the bridge and recut the string notches so the string spread is a teensy bit narrower at the bridge. You can also replace the nut and do the same: slightly compress the string spacing. About .015" to .025" at the bridge and nut will make a huge difference in playability.
We guitar players deal in small dimensions that most normal people have no concept of. A few thousandths of an inch can mean the difference between pleasure and pain/suffering.
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Post by modbus on Feb 9, 2020 16:25:44 GMT -5
I had some similar trouble and solved it by going up a string gauge from 9s to 10s.
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Post by matryx81 on Feb 9, 2020 16:56:07 GMT -5
A few options: 1. Have a refret done with squarer ends. 2. If you currently have tall frets (modern Gibson), they can be mildly planed to increase the length of the top surface of the frets and give you a smidge more playing surface on the ends of the frets. 3. Get six replacement bridge saddles without string notches. Swap them into the bridge and recut the string notches so the string spread is a teensy bit narrower at the bridge. You can also replace the nut and do the same: slightly compress the string spacing. About .015" to .025" at the bridge and nut will make a huge difference in playability. We guitar players deal in small dimensions that most normal people have no concept of. A few thousandths of an inch can mean the difference between pleasure and pain/suffering. While I am a bassist, your last 2 sentences are right on the money even for us.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 9, 2020 18:59:11 GMT -5
"bass guitar." Absolutely. Moreso that a pee-anner player
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Post by LTB on Feb 9, 2020 19:29:29 GMT -5
[quote author=" Peegoo 🏁" source="/post/ Absolutely. Moreso that a pee-anner player [/quote] Ah the world of pee-goo 🤣😂😉
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Post by LM on Feb 9, 2020 21:21:11 GMT -5
I have a Mex Tele that rolls off the board on the high E above the 10th fret. It's irksome because I love everything else about this guitar.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 9, 2020 22:30:51 GMT -5
Leftymeister, look closely at the very last fret. See how the low E string is farther from the end of the fret than the high E string? The simple way to see this is to look at how the D and G strings lay on either side of the last dot on the neck. Your D string is snuggled up against the dots down the center of the neck. You need to "slip" the neck in the pocket. Here's how to fix it: 1. Loosen all the strings two turns of each tuner knob. 2. Loosen each neck screw about one turn. 3. Holding the body, grab the headstock, and gently pull the neck toward the low E-string side. It helps here to have another person assist you because two hands is one short. 4. Watch the two E strings at the last fret as you do this. IMPORTANT: "gently" pulling the headstock is key. Pull too hard and you might crack the finish in the treble cutaway. When both E strings are equidistant from the ends of the last fret (or the D and G strings are centered over the last dot), hold the neck in place and gently snug the four neck screws down. 5. Turn each tuner two turns back up to pitch and double-check the two E strings' orientations at the last fret. Look: Slipping a neck on a Gibson takes a teensy bit longer
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Post by rickyguitar on Feb 9, 2020 23:13:16 GMT -5
I had some similar trouble and solved it by going up a string gauge from 9s to 10s. I would start here
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 23:46:43 GMT -5
My problem with Gibsons is tuning problems.
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Post by LTB on Feb 10, 2020 3:06:02 GMT -5
My problem with Gibsons is tuning problems. How so? Doesn't sound in tune or won't stay in tune?
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 10, 2020 3:19:29 GMT -5
Many players complain about tuning on Gibsons because of the angled headstocks on them.
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Post by LM on Feb 10, 2020 5:03:46 GMT -5
Peegoo, thanks for the tip. My guitar tech and I tried that very thing but there wasn't any wiggle room. So he file a small slot in the bridge saddle of the high E to move it over a smidgen. It helped some but it still rolls off if I dig in too much. I'm thinking it's just a QC issue when it was built.
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Post by McCreed on Feb 10, 2020 6:21:23 GMT -5
If I was your tech, and couldn't "slip" the neck (I always just called it aligning) I would have undertaken some adjustment to the pocket. That current alignment would drive crazy just looking at it, never mind playing it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 8:01:01 GMT -5
yeah, my problem is it staying in tune. I do have an LP where a tech fanned out the nut, but seems like they should come that way. plus being slightly out of tune on a gibson is a bit more noticeable with open chords for some reason.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 10, 2020 8:14:34 GMT -5
"I would have undertaken some adjustment to the pocket." ^^^THIS^^^ Less than a minute of work with some 220 grit paper on a small block of wood would create the wiggle room you need and it won't even be visible when done. Many players and even some techs are of the faulty belief that a screw-on neck needs to fit tightly along the sides of the neck pocket to achieve correct "energy transfer" (whatever THAT is...). Some even swear the end of the neck needs to be in firm contact with the vertical portion of the neck pocket between the neck and the neck pickup. Goofy! If that was truly important, Fender wouldn't have removed wood there to allow access to the heel-type truss rod nut:
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Post by modbus on Feb 10, 2020 8:19:03 GMT -5
If I was your tech, and couldn't "slip" the neck (I always just called it aligning) I would have undertaken some adjustment to the pocket. That current alignment would drive crazy just looking at it, never mind playing it. Yeah, years ago I had a Mex 50s Strat with the same problem. Someone on the FDP told me to sand a little off the the low-E side of the pocket to get the neck to align right. It worked like a charm.
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Post by McCreed on Feb 10, 2020 17:16:22 GMT -5
Yeah, Someone and Somebody really know their sh*t! Their contributions to this, and any forum, are simply invaluable.
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Post by TBird on Feb 11, 2020 15:28:29 GMT -5
Appreciate the suggestions. The guitar has 10's already and I don't want to go to 11's. Got the guitar used at a good price, but spending the extra $$ for a fret job not an option for me. And the way they did the neck binding to blend with the fret ends would make the refret complicated.
I got this guitar at GC. I have a 45 satisfaction guarantee. I'll have to decide within that time whether this issue bothers me enough to override the things I like about it.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 11, 2020 15:41:47 GMT -5
Greg, there are lots of other Gibsons out there that will play differently and sound great. If you have to fight the thing, why keep it? It's not like you have to give it 50% of your stuff if you kick it to the curb
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Post by Leftee on Feb 11, 2020 16:58:17 GMT -5
Greg, there are lots of other Gibsons out there that will play differently and sound great. If you have to fight the thing, why keep it? It's not like you have to give it 50% of your stuff if you kick it to the curb You might if you go past the 45 days. 🤔
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Post by TBird on Feb 11, 2020 19:11:09 GMT -5
Again, I've jumped to a wrong conclusion - the string gauge on the guitar when I got it was 9's, not 10's as I originally thought (so much for eyeballing it). Put a new set of D'Addario 10's and much much less slipping off the fret! Now I'm a happy camper! Thanks, guys.
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Post by LTB on Feb 12, 2020 0:29:48 GMT -5
Again, I've jumped to a wrong conclusion - the string gauge on the guitar when I got it was 9's, not 10's as I originally thought (so much for eyeballing it). Put a new set of D'Addario 10's and much much less slipping off the fret! Now I'm a happy camper! Thanks, guys. After going through many string choices I finally settled on D'Addario Nickel wound 10's. I like them for tone and feel. Glad you got your issue straightened out.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 15, 2020 7:50:21 GMT -5
Outstanding!
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