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Post by samspade on Dec 11, 2022 10:28:03 GMT -5
Not a huge Clapton fan, but this is impressive that he mostly uses only his volume knob and an onboard boost. I know EVH and Beck also did/do this...amp is hot and vol rolled off This clip posted recently, but I think this rundown is not new Clapton Rig |
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Dec 11, 2022 11:56:51 GMT -5
Yeah, Clapton is a guy who knows what he likes, but without being a gearhead. Kinda perfect.
The all 7 thing is interesting. Probably a bit of a superstition, but who knows.
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Post by samspade on Dec 11, 2022 12:05:16 GMT -5
lol, superstition or easy to remember. Poor Dumble had to tweak all pots at 7 to get that sweet spot.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Dec 11, 2022 16:46:07 GMT -5
Huge Clapton fan at various stages of his career but I've really not been enamoured with his sound for a long time. Maybe its the onboard boost thing, I dunno. 🤷♂️
Whatever his rig was during the live Derek and the Dominos album to me was great, with maybe a bit too much wah use. I've seen conflicting reports of what he used, but that record also captured some inspired improv on his part.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Dec 11, 2022 17:29:49 GMT -5
i run my amp at 7 and use the volume knob on my strat a lot
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Post by LeftyMeister on Dec 12, 2022 8:57:15 GMT -5
I've really not been enamoured with his sound for a long time. At some point, his tone became muffled. It was the same with Santana in later years. |
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Post by reverendrob on Dec 12, 2022 9:40:35 GMT -5
He's never done anything for me, and the "pedalboard" is so non-existent I don't know why they bothered!
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Post by ninworks on Dec 12, 2022 11:46:29 GMT -5
He's never done anything for me Yeah, me neither. |
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Post by Mike the marksman on Dec 13, 2022 8:39:10 GMT -5
I love his old live Cream tone- SG, wah, two Marshall JTM45/100 full stacks on 10.
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Post by LeftyMeister on Dec 13, 2022 8:42:01 GMT -5
As I've mentioned, I'm a big Clapton fan and even liked Slowhand. He didn't let the industry define him and made the music that he wanted. That's to be admired.
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Post by Leftee on Dec 13, 2022 8:56:49 GMT -5
I love his old live Cream tone- SG, wah, two Marshall JTM45/100 full stacks on 10. Oh yeah!!! Is it any wonder that Hendrix also gravitated to 45/100s? |
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Dec 13, 2022 10:46:45 GMT -5
I've really not been enamoured with his sound for a long time. At some point, his tone became muffled. It was the same with Santana in later years. Yeah, I think those tweed amps that he loves are naturally dark. There aren't many of them out in the wild so most of us only know about them from nerd books or websites about classic tube amp designs, but I've always found them to have that muffled sound. |
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Post by LeftyMeister on Dec 13, 2022 10:51:49 GMT -5
^ I've played thru a couple and they're great for jazz comping for that very reason.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Dec 13, 2022 13:33:48 GMT -5
I love his old live Cream tone- SG, wah, two Marshall JTM45/100 full stacks on 10. Oh yeah!!! Is it any wonder that Hendrix also gravitated to 45/100s? one of Hendrix's requirements to go with Chas to England was fender amps. But he soon discovered Marshall.s and i wonder if that discovery was Jack Bruces when he jamed with Clapton |
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Dec 14, 2022 13:48:41 GMT -5
i also heard that back in the Cream days Clapton uses a Range Master trebble boster with his marshalls. I think his guitar cord goes mysteriously behind his stacks and cant be seen going directly to his amp. He never admits this but does say he runs his amps on 10
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Post by samspade on Dec 14, 2022 20:28:41 GMT -5
I heard the Derek and the Dominos stuff was through a Fender Champ?
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Post by reverendrob on Dec 14, 2022 21:28:47 GMT -5
I heard the Derek and the Dominos stuff was through a Fender Champ? Studio versus live, worlds of difference. Run that big Marshall in a small room at 'sounds good' volumes and you're making the room resonance absolute crap more often than not. |
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Dec 14, 2022 21:38:33 GMT -5
I heard the Derek and the Dominos stuff was through a Fender Champ? Yeah, studio. For the live Filmore record I've read he used anything from Showmans to Sunn amps. 🤷♂️ |
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Post by Mike the marksman on Dec 15, 2022 7:26:37 GMT -5
i also heard that back in the Cream days Clapton uses a Range Master trebble boster with his marshalls. I think his guitar cord goes mysteriously behind his stacks and cant be seen going directly to his amp. He never admits this but does say he runs his amps on 10 It's been rumored in the past that he used one with Mayall, but it's been mostly debunked and the engineer for the Bluesbreakers album said that he didn't use any kind of booster, just guitar and amp, room mic'd and super loud. I don't hear anything that sounds like a Rangemaster on the cream stuff, in fact he plugged into the normal channel on his marshalls to get a darker tone, rather than brighter. |
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Dec 15, 2022 11:09:29 GMT -5
i also heard that back in the Cream days Clapton uses a Range Master trebble boster with his marshalls. I think his guitar cord goes mysteriously behind his stacks and cant be seen going directly to his amp. He never admits this but does say he runs his amps on 10 It's been rumored in the past that he used one with Mayall, but it's been mostly debunked and the engineer for the Bluesbreakers album said that he didn't use any kind of booster, just guitar and amp, room mic'd and super loud. I don't hear anything that sounds like a Rangemaster on the cream stuff, in fact he plugged into the normal channel on his marshalls to get a darker tone, rather than brighter. Yeah, I feel like if he was using a treble booster with old Marshalls he would have had piercingly bright tone. I think he was also using Y-cables which create their own darkening effects.
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Post by Leftee on Dec 15, 2022 11:48:49 GMT -5
I finally bought the “Beano” album this year. The tones sound like unaffected JTM 45 to me.
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Post by Mike the marksman on Dec 15, 2022 13:16:40 GMT -5
I finally bought the “Beano” album this year. The tones sound like in-affected JTM 45 to me. And most likely with 20W Celestion silver alnicos. I think Celestion developed that speaker at the request of Vox, and Dick Denney was livid when he found out Celestion was selling the same speaker to Marshall, lol. |
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Post by samspade on Dec 15, 2022 18:30:23 GMT -5
Never really used treble booster type pedals, but I'll say some live 70's recordings of Black Sabbath where Tony Iommi was using Laneys and a Dallas Rangemaster have some great tone.
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Post by markfromhawaii on Dec 15, 2022 19:04:18 GMT -5
I have to wonder what kind of speaker 'ol Alexander loaded in those Bandmasters. Can't find much info on them online. Joe Bonamassa's custom tweed twins have Celestion alnicos.
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Post by pcalu on Dec 21, 2022 21:30:23 GMT -5
Huge Clapton fan ...
Imo, Clapton was the last of the big 3 (Page, Beck and himself) to be relevant in the top 40 genre. His playing in Cream is all that and a bag of chips. Late 1980s he was still making albums that charted Not by any means saying Page or Beck was/where not relevant at that time, heck when it comes to the guitar... "as a guitarist" all things Beck and Page I'm all in on... In London I ran into Clapton's Base Player, Nathan East (Nice guy very talented, has a serious career in Jazz w/song credits to his name)
Page, IMO pretty much retired after the mid 90s (due to probably making the most money out of the 3... why work if ya don't have to or want to. )
Beck... never got the fame the other two did (or the money) that said, I'll dare to suggest... Maybe the best of the three when it comes to longevity, musical exploration, collaborations... seems to never quit, never stops growing as a musician. To me Beck is right up there with some of the giants of Jazz (who else can you really compare him too? Only Jazz guys (in the genre of jazz) spend a life time growing their chops, exploring, doing collaborations etc... I'm thinking guys like Joe Pass, Kenny Burell, Miles Davis, Buddy Rich, Stanly Clark, Chick Corea, Al DiMeola.. etc (Beck never over did it with the self indulgences/drugs etc... I think that has a lot to do with his longevity.
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Post by samspade on Dec 22, 2022 17:56:30 GMT -5
Big Zeppelin/Page fan, but if I could snap my fingers and play like someone, it would be Beck
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Post by ninworks on Dec 23, 2022 8:51:16 GMT -5
IMO Clapton is very ho-hum. Talented? Obviously. Influential? Definitely. God? Not in any sense of the word. Highly overrated? I think so. I just never did 'get' him. Out of all his material I can only think of 2 or maybe 3 songs I actually liked. I get bored very quickly with rehashed pentatonic doodling over I-IV-V chord progressions and that's most of what he did/does. It's not that I don't like the Blues because I do. I just never though he was very inspired. I'll probably get banned for saying that. That's blasphemy to most old-school rock guitar players. I'd put David Gilmour over Clapton any and every day of the week.
Of the "Big Three" Page was an incredible songwriter and producer/arranger but I didn't think he was all that great as a player. His guitar playing was adequate but he was most certainly inventive and creative. To me, his acoustic playing was far better than his electric. I liked a lot of Zepplin's stuff.
Beck is the most unique although I have never been a huge fan. I do have a couple of his albums. He is most certainly an incredible player and I have immense respect for him.
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Post by LeftyMeister on Dec 23, 2022 9:23:19 GMT -5
^^ Ditto on Page and Beck. While I admire their contributions and talent, there are others who better deserve the top of the heap status.
I was a huge Zep fan until I saw The Song Remains the Same in a theater. It completely burst my bubble as I realized Page was a studio genius but average player.
I've tried numerous times to get into Beck as he's obviously a massive talent. But I've always thought his music wasn't very... ummm... musical. I could never learn to appreciate the (what I've come to label) whale calls.
The big three to me for innovation, influence on their genre and other players, and musicianship are:
Hendrix: Not always the cleanest player by today's standards, but he influenced even his peers of the day.
Chet Adkins: His playing in the 40's and 50's spawned the entire country music guitar industry. Glen Campbell, Vince Gill, Brad Paisley, and countless others have listed him as a primary influence.
EVH: No one has inspired more guitarists than Eddie. When he arrived on the scene, he was maybe only rivaled by Hendrix for doing things on a fretboard that no one had ever seen or heard.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Dec 23, 2022 10:26:55 GMT -5
I think a lot of Clapton's fame and acclaim happened serendipitously. I'm not sure that's the right word but he seemed to get ushered into a stream of events that didn't seem calculated nor maybe even merited. Almost in a Forrest Gump kind of way, but not implying a diminished mental capacity. Hugely impactful with Cream and then people seemed to just not get enough. Blind Faith was cool, but brilliant? Nah. I got on board the Clapton train with Derek and the Dominos. I loved that record and think the Clapton/Bobby Whitlock collaboration was both of their musical pinnacles. It was also when Clapton came into his own as a vocalist. Some people think he's a mediocre vocalist. I like his voice and think it matches his guitar playing. Steady but not dazzling.
I have not bought a Clapton record since Slowhand and even that record did little for me. But I'm glad he's had the success he did and will always attribute my passion for Strats and pentatonic wankery to his presence in the rock world.
From a technical standpoint I think Beck blasted way past all his peers.
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Post by samspade on Dec 23, 2022 16:27:59 GMT -5
I agree about Clapton's rise...it was kinda thrust upon him, and then I don't think we wanted it, or to defend it. For sure Hendrix and EVH were the next steps. I know people are now technically beyond EVH, like Vai, Guthrie, Tosin, Yngwie...long list, but it seems like a variation of that big step.
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