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Post by Taildragger on Mar 27, 2023 12:46:22 GMT -5
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Post by Leftee on Mar 27, 2023 14:05:23 GMT -5
To add insult to injury, the stray wheel caught up with the Kia and dented the only “straight” side of the car left.
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Post by RufusTeleStrat on Mar 27, 2023 15:13:50 GMT -5
I saw that and when the tire came back around and smacked the back, it was as the tire had it out for the KIA.
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Post by Taildragger on Mar 27, 2023 15:23:50 GMT -5
"Tire pops off truck"?
Dude, that was the whole freakin' wheel.
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Post by Seldom Seen on Mar 27, 2023 16:08:18 GMT -5
Wow! I once had a tire free itself from my work truck. Luckily I was driving on a surface street and the only injuries were vegetables in a neighborhood garden. I had just retrieved the truck from the shop and the mechanic was, well, asleep at the wheel. It was surreal feeling the crash and almost simultaneously watching my tire roll ahead of me.
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Post by gato on Mar 27, 2023 16:15:48 GMT -5
Surprising that there were only "minor injuries."
Imagine if the driver climbed out, and dusted himself off while thinking, "close call."
Then the runaway wheel finishes him off.
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Post by Taildragger on Mar 27, 2023 16:40:56 GMT -5
Imagine if the driver climbed out, and dusted himself off while thinking, "close call." Then the runaway wheel finishes him off. You gots a evil imagination, dude... |
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Post by Larry Madsen on Mar 27, 2023 16:58:13 GMT -5
Ron White has a story on lug nuts and Sears.
Disclaimer: A bit of foul language in this video.
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Post by Lesterstrat on Mar 27, 2023 18:26:30 GMT -5
I hope the truck dude has watched Caddy Shack!
“Hey, look what your Kia did to my wheel!”
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Post by Ragic on Mar 27, 2023 21:54:44 GMT -5
Ok boys and girls... That is a wheel spacer failure. Not a loose lug failure. It happens more than you think but usually doesn't send Kia's into space.
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Post by Taildragger on Mar 27, 2023 22:54:05 GMT -5
Assuming you're correct, isn't one of the most common reasons for spacers to fail incorrect torque?
If so, maybe I'm correct once removed.
In any case, I've never used wheel spacers, so have zero expertise in that department.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Mar 28, 2023 2:33:17 GMT -5
In the late 80s I was on a crew bus on the DC beltway headed to Andrews AFB. We were doing about 45 mph in traffic and I was sitting in the right rear. Something caught my eye and I looked out the window, and right there, right next to us, was the wheel from a vehicle happily rolling along.
I thought, "some poor sap has lost the wheel off their truck and they're not going to be very happy." It was at that moment the van lurched and the driver slowly got on the brakes.
Turns out it was the right rear wheel from our van. I'm amazed we didn't flip over.
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Post by Vman on Mar 28, 2023 9:06:52 GMT -5
Would the victim have a case against the truck owner for altering the vehicle's designed/engineered suspension?
There's a lot of negative info regarding the safety of spacers and wide tires. There's also some positive info mostly written by makers/proponents of the aftermarket items.
I've never driven one but they look like they'd be hard to handle.
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Post by Leftee on Mar 28, 2023 9:18:01 GMT -5
RE: wheel spacers. IMO they should not be legal on-road. In an on-road application they really serve no purpose.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Mar 28, 2023 9:18:55 GMT -5
Ok boys and girls... That is a wheel spacer failure. Not a loose lug failure. It happens more than you think but usually doesn't send Kia's into space. Do you have some inside information on this event? |
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Post by Leftee on Mar 28, 2023 9:30:09 GMT -5
I bet the Kia driver fudged his Huggies.
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Post by Leftee on Mar 28, 2023 9:31:51 GMT -5
Ok boys and girls... That is a wheel spacer failure. Not a loose lug failure. It happens more than you think but usually doesn't send Kia's into space. Do you have some inside information on this event? Good question. It looks to me like that truck was running spacers. But that’s all I got. |
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Post by gato on Mar 28, 2023 9:32:30 GMT -5
If that Kia had been me and my VW bug, I'd be corresponding with y'all through a Ouija board.
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Post by Ragic on Mar 28, 2023 9:37:14 GMT -5
Assuming you're correct, isn't one of the most common reasons for spacers to fail incorrect torque? If so, maybe I'm correct once removed. In any case, I've never used wheel spacers, so have zero expertise in that department. Sure... could be. Along with cheap Ebay spacers from China. Stress from using the wrong size also. |
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Post by modbus on Mar 28, 2023 9:38:13 GMT -5
Ok boys and girls... That is a wheel spacer failure. Not a loose lug failure. It happens more than you think but usually doesn't send Kia's into space.
I was going to say this, the truck had spacers, and the spacer failed.
In generally, spacers are made of machined aluminum. If you get the correct spacer for your vehicle, and torque it properly, then they are generally pretty safe. I **think** sometimes trucks have spacers installed from the factory with some off-road packages, although I could be wrong.
They can be a problem when any of the following is performed:
1. Incorrect spacer for vehicle is installed -- either it doesn't fit the hub right, or the lugs on the spacers are too small/wrong type, etc.
B. Spacers are stacked to push the wheel further out iii. The lug nuts on the spacer studs are way over-torqued, which pulls the studs out of the aluminum. You really don't want to go over 100-110 ft-lbs for the typical half-ton lug nuts.
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Post by Ragic on Mar 28, 2023 9:43:38 GMT -5
Ok boys and girls... That is a wheel spacer failure. Not a loose lug failure. It happens more than you think but usually doesn't send Kia's into space. Do you have some inside information on this event? I'm only 53 but I've been working on cars and on race teams since I was 8. Hanging out in garages and speed shops all my life I've seen a few close calls with spacer failure. Mostly just a pissed off owner and a few laughs with the guys on how bad it could have been if it let go while they were at highway speed. Now we know. Yes, it could have been something else in this case but nothing else was attached to the wheel so it looks to me like a spacer problem. |
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Post by Ragic on Mar 28, 2023 9:45:23 GMT -5
Ok boys and girls... That is a wheel spacer failure. Not a loose lug failure. It happens more than you think but usually doesn't send Kia's into space.
I was going to say this, the truck had spacers, and the spacer failed.
In generally, spacers are made of machined aluminum. If you get the correct spacer for your vehicle, and torque it properly, then they are generally pretty safe. I **think** sometimes trucks have spacers installed from the factory with some off-road packages, although I could be wrong.
They can be a problem when any of the following is performed:
1. Incorrect spacer for vehicle is installed -- either it doesn't fit the hub right, or the lugs on the spacers are too small/wrong type, etc.
B. Spacers are stacked to push the wheel further out iii. The lug nuts on the spacer studs are way over-torqued, which pulls the studs out of the aluminum. You really don't want to go over 100-110 ft-lbs for the typical half-ton lug nuts.
Yep. |
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Post by Leftee on Mar 28, 2023 9:50:31 GMT -5
If it was loose lug nuts you’d see that wheel wobble before it separated from the vehicle.
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Post by Vman on Mar 28, 2023 9:52:08 GMT -5
I dodged semi tire coming across an interstate median in Maine. The median was approx 25 yds wide and had a dip deep enough that the tire momentarily disappeared into it. When it emerged it had changed it's course to one more aligned to kill me. It was traveling toward me at the perfect angle to make it impossible to decide whether to slow down or go faster. I chose slower and it missed my right headlight by inches. Talk about surreal..
My family's synchronized screaming did not change the direction of the tire although they really put everything into it. Lol
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Post by Leftee on Mar 28, 2023 9:53:57 GMT -5
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep - like my grandpa.
Not screaming in sheer panic like the passengers in his car.
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Post by Leftee on Mar 28, 2023 9:54:50 GMT -5
Points to modbus for the creative outlining.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Mar 28, 2023 10:01:49 GMT -5
Three Michigan judges think tightening the lug nuts on a vehicle is not the responsibility of the mechanic when getting tires rotated at a commercial auto service establishment.
Methinks the plaintiff had an idiot for an attorney, because I'm no attorney and I could've easily convinced them otherwise.
Hilarious (and pathetic) details here:
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Post by modbus on Mar 28, 2023 10:08:41 GMT -5
Here's a picture of some spacers:
Notice how there's a ring machined around the central hole that is cut into the spacer on the inside face, and protrudes out on the outside facing face. The rim fits around that ring, so that the weight of the truck is held up by the ring, and not the lug nuts.
Sometimes people buy cheap spacers that don't have those machined rings, putting a ton of stress on the lugs, and then bad things can happen to Kia Souls.
Another thing that can go wrong is that if the spacer isn't wider than the lug studs on the truck's hub, they will protrude out a little passed the spacer and keep the rim from fully seating against the spacer. And again, that's bad news for Kia Souls.
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Post by modbus on Mar 28, 2023 10:20:35 GMT -5
... and then there are the thrifty guys who, instead of spending their hard earned money on wheel spacers, just stack an inch of flat washers on each wheel stud. Sure, the lug nut just catches on a single thread, but think of all the money you saved.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Mar 28, 2023 10:26:09 GMT -5
Great, something else to be paranoid about in traffic. LOTS of modified vehicles where I live, especially trucks.
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