69tele
Halfnote
Rockin the Rock !
Posts: 91
|
Post by 69tele on Feb 13, 2020 6:19:17 GMT -5
Any tips on how to setup a strat for slide... jack up the action and thicker strings I guess ?
Ive been using an LP double cut up to now with 10s and highish action,, but need a spare guitar for slide.
thanks !
|
|
Wrnchbndr
Wholenote
Posts: 353
Formerly Known As: WRNCHBNDR
|
Post by Wrnchbndr on Feb 13, 2020 12:38:09 GMT -5
Slide for only slide playing or slide for occasional slide riffs?
|
|
69tele
Halfnote
Rockin the Rock !
Posts: 91
|
Post by 69tele on Feb 14, 2020 10:40:10 GMT -5
going to dedicate one guitar for slide only we have several original numbers where I now play slide (plus chords etc) throughout the song) so thought it would be best.
|
|
Wrnchbndr
Wholenote
Posts: 353
Formerly Known As: WRNCHBNDR
|
Post by Wrnchbndr on Feb 14, 2020 10:53:55 GMT -5
There's a cool gizmo which is a piece of metal that sits over the nut. No modification to guitar needed. All it is is a half round length of 1/4 to 3/16" steel tubing with string slots cut into it. You lay it over the nut. It elevates the strings and eliminates the radius. When you remove it, the guitar plays just like it should.
|
|
|
Post by rickyguitar on Feb 14, 2020 14:51:55 GMT -5
I always just used my guitar as is, I did not gig with more than 1 so I had to be able to do it all. I started taking steel, glass & ceramic slides as they all sound so different. Just played it pretty light.
|
|
McCreed
Halfnote
Posts: 76
Formerly Known As: Mick Reid @ FDP
|
Post by McCreed on Feb 15, 2020 5:34:56 GMT -5
The gizmo wrnchbndr suggested would be fine if you were only doing slide, but would be impossible for any chord work.
I too switch back & forth from slide to fretted notes/chords.
I set mine up high enough to prevent "fret strike" but low enough for fretting as well. I also use slightly heavier gauge strings. I used to make up custom sets by taking a standard 10-52 set (52,42,30,17,13,10) and adding a .015 as my B string, and shifting the .013 to the the E1. (I just kept the 10 as a spare for other guitars.) I should mention the majority of my tuning is open E & D.
I eventually found the 17-13's too heavy for bending if playing single fretted notes for lead or chords (particular w/ open E). I now have gone to 11-49's and just a slightly higher action than my standard tuned guitars.
I presently use a LP-style guitar for my open tune slide stuff and I set the action at approximately 2mm at the 12th fret on both E strings. My TOM bridge is fixed at 12" so in this case I get a completely parallel radius. The usual action I aim for is E6 @ 1.6-1.75mm and E1 @ 1.5mm. Not a great difference number-wise, but a big difference playing-wise. (for me anyway)
When I set up a strat for slide I also set the strings to a radius consistent with what ever the fretboard is. Some like it "flat" but I find I can isolate single strings better with a radius by changing the angle and position of my slide to the strings (if that makes sense). And even with the radius I can still play multiple strings simultaneously for those sliding "chord" sounds.
Everyone has their own way that works for them. This is what works for me and may help you find yours.
Happy sliding!
|
|
|
Post by saltyseadog on Feb 15, 2020 7:13:45 GMT -5
I remember seeing an interview with Allan Collins of the reformed Lynyrd Skynyrd when they played at Rockpalast Loreley in Germany in the late 80's/90's who mentioned that he used a specially carved piece of bone that he fitted over the fret when he played slide. I had an old broken long stemmed bone pipe which I managed to make two such pieces. It raises the action for slide but still allows you to play normally as it is much less than the gizmo one that fits over the nut. Watch old videos of him doing the intro to Freebird and you will see him use it.
|
|
|
Post by Opie on Feb 15, 2020 8:02:07 GMT -5
If you're gonna raise the nut, just buy a lap steel. The beauty of slide guitar is being able to fret notes as well.Use heavier than normal strings,gauge depends on whether you tune up or down, say E versus D. Raise the action just enough to clear frets, but be able to fret as well. Listen to old cats like Robert Johnson,or Sunny Landreth for a lesson on how to play notes behind the slide.
|
|
pdf64
Wholenote
Posts: 556
|
Post by pdf64 on Feb 15, 2020 11:22:33 GMT -5
...Listen to old cats like Robert Johnson ... for a lesson on how to play notes behind the slide. I've never noticed him do that, which of his tracks can it be heard on (and roughly at what time point, as he's generally pretty busy )?
|
|
McCreed
Halfnote
Posts: 76
Formerly Known As: Mick Reid @ FDP
|
Post by McCreed on Feb 15, 2020 18:36:34 GMT -5
I think by "behind" the slide he actually meant in front between the slide and nut. Players that wear the slide on their ring finger can and do fret behind the slide with the pinky finger. Sonny Landreth is a "pinky" slide player so he gets 3 fingers in front and can fret more complex chords. I'm a ring finger player but don't do anything with my pinky. I'm just not that clever
|
|
69tele
Halfnote
Rockin the Rock !
Posts: 91
|
Post by 69tele on Feb 17, 2020 3:21:51 GMT -5
lots of good info here seems like I have homework to do !
|
|
|
Post by Opie on Feb 18, 2020 7:03:47 GMT -5
It was Sunny I meant when the behind the slide was mentioned. Johnson just because he's a great foundation for the technique. What Sunny does is while engaging the slide, he pushed down between the slide and nut, releasing the slide from the string and hitting the fretted note. For instance, in an open E tuning, depressing the g string one fret this way makes it into a minor chord. He is truly a genius, I never knew of anyone doing that before he came along. It opens up tons of possibilities. Another great slide player is Ry Cooder, he uses open tunings, but the key center is often the 4th of the chord,which makes the open chord the 5 chord of the song if that makes any sense.
|
|
pdf64
Wholenote
Posts: 556
|
Post by pdf64 on Feb 19, 2020 6:01:07 GMT -5
Thanks for that clarification Opie, at least it got me giving a careful listen to some RJ again. Yes, my understanding of 'behind the slide' is between the slide and nut, in the same way that the 1st fret is 'behind' the 2nd fret, and the 3rd fret is 'in front' of it. Because it seems logical that the main action is going on 'in front' of the slide, between it and the bridge; the section of string between slide and nut, though it can't be ignored, is secondary to that. There again, I don't get the rationale for the bridge PU being also referred to as the 'back', the neck PU as the 'front'?
I'm a long time fan of a guitarist not too far from me, Tony Dowler who's based in Manchester England. He uses the slide on his middle finger and seems to use his pinky and ring fingers to fret in front of it, ie higher frets. He does a bit of it around the 3 minute mark in this youtube clip It's difficult to be certain whether the 'lower fret barre' is being fretted by his index finger or is being done with the slide, but I favour the latter.
|
|
|
Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 19, 2020 12:17:30 GMT -5
Here's a vid of Sonny explaining some of his technique. I've had the pleasure of seeing him play a few times and met him once at a small gig for BMG Records; he is the most humble guy ever. And he is insanely good on slide. You can hear one note from a Landreth song you've never heard before, and you know it's Sonny.
|
|
|
Post by Leftee on Feb 19, 2020 12:25:07 GMT -5
I saw Sonny live when he opened for BB back in 2001. Awesome show.
|
|
|
Post by Opie on Feb 21, 2020 6:53:10 GMT -5
I met Sonny outside a club when he first became noticed. Absolutely nicest guy ,as was his long time bass player.
|
|