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Post by reverendrob on Jan 14, 2024 1:39:46 GMT -5
Not sure I really see that as an "ambient" delay - that brings up the Boss Tera Echo, Lexicon Vortex, and out there units.
And kind of at a loss at what it's gunning for at that price point as well.
If you want the 80s rack stuff, you can get the SDE-3000 and 2290 pedals now for not a whole lot more etc.
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Post by chucksmi on Jan 14, 2024 9:01:40 GMT -5
I like analog delay for studio stuff because of it's warmth and depth but playing live I prefer the cut of a digital (DD3). I also have a (Now vintage?) Digitech Double Play pedal that makes its way into things from time to time. Sometimes that effect has just the sound I want for the song.
So as is usually the case with effects, it all depends on what you're doing with it.
Also, you need to hear what you want in your head first and then buy the effect that gets closest to it. The last thing you should do is say "I want a delay to make me sound better" and just buy one, plug it in and see what happens.
I always tell folks to listen to a player you want to emulate, analyze his or her gear and start from there.
The biggest mistake you can make is buying a pedal based on some YouTube video. After I run anything through a New York compressor it sounds a lot better than it did coming out of the amp, lol. I can often hear some post processing in the demo that wasn't in the room when it was being played.
And then also remember that analog delays may not play well with the FOH where they may be adding more ambience, so your guitar can get buried in the mix, again why I use a digital. It sounds a bit harsh onstage but just right out front.
Chuck
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Post by LTB on Jan 14, 2024 12:38:28 GMT -5
For myself, I find analog delay more pleasing to my ears than digital.
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Post by Mike the marksman on Jan 16, 2024 9:18:55 GMT -5
I've never been able to find a use for analog delay. Too dark and low-passed to be useable. Something like an Echoplex or a pedal that tries to emulate it is just right- crisp repeats that get "wispy" as they trail, with just a bit of modulation.
My dream delay is a Belle Epoch Deluxe
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 16, 2024 11:51:25 GMT -5
I've never been able to find a use for analog delay. Too dark and low-passed to be useable. Something like an Echoplex or a pedal that tries to emulate it is just right- crisp repeats that get "wispy" as they trail, with just a bit of modulation. My dream delay is a Belle Epoch Deluxe Depends on the voicing of the analog delay. The vintage ones (battery powered at least) are dark as sin. I had a rackmount Ibanez vintage one that was actually pretty bright I lived but it was huge for 300ms of delay and ended up letting it go a long time ago. My current (non-tape) analog delay is a DOD Rubberneck which has up to 2 seconds (which for analog is a godsend) and also gets quite bright and has tone options. It'll do murky if I want, but that's not what I have it for. My problem with most of the 'fake tape"delays is they have too much modulation most of the time - it's MINOR on a properly working Plex or Space Echo, if not nil. The Boss Space Echoes get it right (and let you dial up more if you want, but...I don't).
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Jan 16, 2024 13:33:15 GMT -5
I've never been able to find a use for analog delay. Too dark and low-passed to be useable. Something like an Echoplex or a pedal that tries to emulate it is just right- crisp repeats that get "wispy" as they trail, with just a bit of modulation. My dream delay is a Belle Epoch Deluxe my echoplex darkens Ep3 the sound. it does not sound very good with my fender amps but great with my Marshall
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Post by Mike the marksman on Jan 17, 2024 9:07:18 GMT -5
I own an EP-3 but it's been non-functioning for some years now and I haven't been able to to send it off for repair. The motor struggles to get up to speed (but eventually does with some help), and it won't erase or record. So it just plays back the last thing that was recorded to the tape. It sounded gorgeous when it did work.
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Post by DrKev on Jan 17, 2024 10:31:22 GMT -5
My problem with most of the 'fake tape"delays is they have too much modulation most of the time - it's MINOR on a properly working Plex or Space Echo, if not nil. Yes. It's easy to forget that magnetic tape was the highest quality recording and replay medium until CD came along BUT only if the tape was of top quality, in excellent condition, and the tape machine was in excellent condition. The best case scenario is truly excellent audio reproduction with a virtually flat frequency response up to 16kHz and zero perceptible pitch modulation. The high end frequency response would drop as signal level increased (which is why people think of tape saturation as "warm" compared to clipping transistors). But no mechanical devices stay perfect and tape speed fluctuations would eventually become apparent in machines that are not regularly maintained. And as the tape was replayed over and over again, it would start to wear out and degrade, bringing audio drop outs and scratchiness and loss of high frequencies. The worst case scenario was too muddy for music listening and unpleasantly warbly. And vintage echo machines did not sit quietly at home in the living room next to the turntable and radio tuner, so they took quite a beating travelling with the musicians. That's why so many people consider that vintage echo machines had their sweet spot somewhere between the best and worst case scenarios above, because that's what most of the surviving machines sound like. That's what makes tape echos special from today's point of view but also what made the clarity and fidelity of early digital delays special in the 1980s too.
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 17, 2024 10:40:45 GMT -5
Oh, I get it - I toured with a RE-301 and a Plex for ages. But I kep thtem running and cleaned the heads etc on EVERY set break and changed the tapes religiously.
Mine didn't warble!
I didn't baby them either, I regularly used the Space Echo as a chair wiating for a cab!
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Post by DrKev on Jan 17, 2024 16:52:00 GMT -5
Oh, I get it - I toured with a RE-301 and a Plex for ages. But I kep thtem running and cleaned the heads etc on EVERY set break and changed the tapes religiously. Mine didn't warble! I didn't baby them either, I regularly used the Space Echo as a chair wiating for a cab! Oh I know you get it, Rob. I was more thinking of the younger whipper snappers who might not know.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Jan 17, 2024 17:26:20 GMT -5
Oh, I get it - I toured with a RE-301 and a Plex for ages. But I kep thtem running and cleaned the heads etc on EVERY set break and changed the tapes religiously. Mine didn't warble! I didn't baby them either, I regularly used the Space Echo as a chair wiating for a cab! thats supprising because i gig with a EP3 echoplex and pretty much never have problems. i never clean the heads or change the tape. i only set it for 1-2 slap backs just enough to give the sound of a hall maybe that is one reason i have no issues with mine
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 18, 2024 9:56:29 GMT -5
Oh, I get it - I toured with a RE-301 and a Plex for ages. But I kep thtem running and cleaned the heads etc on EVERY set break and changed the tapes religiously. Mine didn't warble! I didn't baby them either, I regularly used the Space Echo as a chair wiating for a cab! thats supprising because i gig with a EP3 echoplex and pretty much never have problems. i never clean the heads or change the tape. i only set it for 1-2 slap backs just enough to give the sound of a hall maybe that is one reason i have no issues with mine You're amazingly lucky then. It's also not good for the heads/tape to not maintain it!
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Post by argo on Mar 15, 2024 18:22:13 GMT -5
Depends on the voicing of the analog delay. The vintage ones (battery powered at least) are dark as sin. I had a rackmount Ibanez vintage one that was actually pretty bright I lived but it was huge for 300ms of delay and ended up letting it go a long time ago. My current (non-tape) analog delay is a DOD Rubberneck which has up to 2 seconds (which for analog is a godsend) and also gets quite bright and has tone options. It'll do murky if I want, but that's not what I have it for. My problem with most of the 'fake tape"delays is they have too much modulation most of the time - it's MINOR on a properly working Plex or Space Echo, if not nil. The Boss Space Echoes get it right (and let you dial up more if you want, but...I don't). Would that Ibanez happen to be a DMD 2000? I just dug out mine and wanted to start gigging with it because of the different channels that can be pre-set to different times etc. But it won't hold its memory/presets, I believe because the battery is dead. Its a "C" sized 3 volt called a BR-3CV. Been having a real tough time finding a replacement. I think this thing dates back to 1983.
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Post by reverendrob on Mar 16, 2024 6:57:15 GMT -5
Depends on the voicing of the analog delay. The vintage ones (battery powered at least) are dark as sin. I had a rackmount Ibanez vintage one that was actually pretty bright I lived but it was huge for 300ms of delay and ended up letting it go a long time ago. My current (non-tape) analog delay is a DOD Rubberneck which has up to 2 seconds (which for analog is a godsend) and also gets quite bright and has tone options. It'll do murky if I want, but that's not what I have it for. My problem with most of the 'fake tape"delays is they have too much modulation most of the time - it's MINOR on a properly working Plex or Space Echo, if not nil. The Boss Space Echoes get it right (and let you dial up more if you want, but...I don't). Would that Ibanez happen to be a DMD 2000? I just dug out mine and wanted to start gigging with it because of the different channels that can be pre-set to different times etc. But it won't hold its memory/presets, I believe because the battery is dead. Its a "C" sized 3 volt called a BR-3CV. Been having a real tough time finding a replacement. I think this thing dates back to 1983. Mine was dial only, no presets. One of these: reverb.com/item/70021361-ibanez-ad100-analog-delay-blackAmazon has a couple BR-3CV replacements available.
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