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Post by reverendrob on Jan 31, 2024 15:19:10 GMT -5
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Post by Leftee on Jan 31, 2024 15:54:11 GMT -5
It had a good run.
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 31, 2024 16:59:00 GMT -5
Pushing 40 years.
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Post by Ryder on Jan 31, 2024 19:35:40 GMT -5
Interesting, the new ones sure won’t be within reach for me. That’s ok, I’m a telecaster guy anyway.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 1, 2024 10:37:06 GMT -5
It appears there will be Standard Fadeds @$500 less than a Standard. Am I seeing that right?
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 1, 2024 11:17:13 GMT -5
It appears there will be Standard Fadeds @$500 less than a Standard. Am I seeing that right? Already are, SW has them for $2499.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 1, 2024 11:19:36 GMT -5
I like that they’re not chambered.
Not that I’m in the market.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Feb 1, 2024 11:46:30 GMT -5
RIP.
Hopefully Gibson is getting a better sense of the labor hours that are in instruments. The studio MOSTLY saved money by lacking binding, and that does save some time both in building and in finishing... but not to the tune of more than a thousand dollars. Silk screen logo instead of inlaid too, but inlays are pretty easy in production these days. A chance to use pieces of wood they might not use on Standards was probably nice, but I doubt it actually saved money.
A "standard faded" makes more sense. You can do the same thing with woods that you did with the studios (though the picture I'm seeing is still a flame top), and the finishing is probably the biggest time sink. "Faded" is probably the only option Gibson has without going poly to save $$$ there (except maybe whatever Eastman did on Leftee's new guitar).
The pickup choice on the Standard Faded is interesting, too. Burstbucker 1. Not that it matters THAT much to anyone here, but '80s and '90s LPs really seemed to chase the super chonky rock LP sound, while more recent ones go for a brighter tone like the originals, aluminum tailpieces, and so forth. Those studios were definitely hard rock machines, so it is an interesting marketing decision that they're going to more of a classic/lighter/bluesier thing.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 1, 2024 11:57:45 GMT -5
Eastman’s super secret magic varnish.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Feb 1, 2024 12:17:45 GMT -5
According to the website, some special formulation from Dana Bourgeois, who had his own customers that would never accept poly but he got sick of huffing lacquer fumes. I don't know if it is something really lame, but it is definitely a HUGE missed opportunity to find a third way for a hard finish that isn't quirky lacquer or sprayable epoxy. Finish is not only a giant time suck in production, but it is also the biggest time suck for rework, and the biggest culprit for flaws on outgoing instruments.
I think some of that is that lacquer formulations keep getting weirder and weirder. They get softer and gummier to make them easier to sand, but they also heat up and plug paper faster, and streak more when buffed. That's another rant, though.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 1, 2024 14:53:11 GMT -5
According to the website, some special formulation from Dana Bourgeois, who had his own customers that would never accept poly but he got sick of huffing lacquer fumes. I don't know if it is something really lame, but it is definitely a HUGE missed opportunity to find a third way for a hard finish that isn't quirky lacquer or sprayable epoxy. Finish is not only a giant time suck in production, but it is also the biggest time suck for rework, and the biggest culprit for flaws on outgoing instruments. I think some of that is that lacquer formulations keep getting weirder and weirder. They get softer and gummier to make them easier to sand, but they also heat up and plug paper faster, and streak more when buffed. That's another rant, though. I'm curious why somebody hasn't tried Ceracote or one of the "modern" finishes on guitars. If it tolerates metal aon metal ugly and beating....
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Post by tomcaster on Feb 6, 2024 16:15:57 GMT -5
From $550 to $2,200!? I guess they are giving up this ground to Epiphone. A very decent guitar for $550 and there are a ton out there.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 6, 2024 18:49:36 GMT -5
From $550 to $2,200!? I guess they are giving up this ground to Epiphone. A very decent guitar for $550 and there are a ton out there. They were 1600ish before, the new "Modern Studio" is out today. Satin paint, but has real ebony board again and a bound neck (only neck) with black binding. Modern neck joint (basically the poor man's Axcess), and the Modern features. Gig bag only, no case. Cheaper than the NAMM sneak peek, at least ...only $1999.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 7, 2024 7:44:50 GMT -5
Oddly enough I've never owned a Studio. I have a Tribute and had a Trad and a Standard.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 7, 2024 8:32:54 GMT -5
Aren't the Tributes considered part of the Studio line? I bought the first year (2012?) 50's Trib Goldtop with P90s and always thought it was considered part of that tribe. While it's a fine sounding and playing guitar it's quite the cobbled cutting board, construction-wise.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 7, 2024 9:15:56 GMT -5
If that is the case, then I DO own a Studio. 😂
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 7, 2024 11:16:22 GMT -5
Correction, mine is stamped 2010. The back of the headstock looks like 3 pieces and back of the body 4 pieces.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 7, 2024 17:19:39 GMT -5
Aren't the Tributes considered part of the Studio line? I bought the first year (2012?) 50's Trib Goldtop with P90s and always thought it was considered part of that tribe. While it's a fine sounding and playing guitar it's quite the cobbled cutting board, construction-wise. There were SOME Studio Tributes, but mostly just..Tributes. That line was TOTALLY axed a month or two ago. It was the "Melody Maker" price point with multi-piece etc being common.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 7, 2024 17:28:18 GMT -5
The Gibson line was so convoluted a few years ago.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 7, 2024 20:39:58 GMT -5
The Gibson line was so convoluted a few years ago. Yea, which is why the 'getting rid of Studio normal" doesn't make any sense to me when it's been the consistent thing. The whole "classic" thing was a bit confuzling too.
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Post by LesTele on Feb 8, 2024 15:59:35 GMT -5
My local Guitar stockist has a blog post. GuitarGuitarI don’t get the thinking behind it. They are even more expensive in pounds sterling.
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Post by Lesterstrat on Mar 1, 2024 9:33:32 GMT -5
Just speculation on my part, but it seems kinda like Fender and Gibson are on a parallel course with satellite and cable TV. What I mean is the latter loses more and more of their customer base every year due to more and more streaming options popping up. And, while “knock off” Gibsons and Fenders have been around forever, the quality of these get better and better every year. This leads me to at least ask the question: How much of the price increases for Fender and Gibson are due to shrinkage in customer base due the gap in price relative to gap in quality between them and the knockoffs.
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Post by reverendrob on Mar 1, 2024 9:40:38 GMT -5
Just speculation on my part, but it seems kinda like Fender and Gibson are on a parallel course with satellite and cable TV. What I mean is the latter loses more and more of their customer base every year due to more and more streaming options popping up. And, while “knock off” Gibsons and Fenders have been around forever, the quality of these get better and better every year. This leads me to at least ask the question: How much of the price increases for Fender and Gibson are due to shrinkage in customer base due the gap in price relative to gap in quality between them and the knockoffs. Think it's the cost of US manufacture honestly. Gibson has always gone "you pay for the name" to a certain degree. When the imports are 1500+ now.... Yea, I know you can still get $300 cheapies, but...the market isn't buying a whole lot of those it seems (or they're not keepers)
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Post by Lesterstrat on Mar 1, 2024 10:01:10 GMT -5
Just speculation on my part, but it seems kinda like Fender and Gibson are on a parallel course with satellite and cable TV. What I mean is the latter loses more and more of their customer base every year due to more and more streaming options popping up. And, while “knock off” Gibsons and Fenders have been around forever, the quality of these get better and better every year. This leads me to at least ask the question: How much of the price increases for Fender and Gibson are due to shrinkage in customer base due the gap in price relative to gap in quality between them and the knockoffs. Think it's the cost of US manufacture honestly. Gibson has always gone "you pay for the name" to a certain degree. When the imports are 1500+ now.... Yea, I know you can still get $300 cheapies, but...the market isn't buying a whole lot of those it seems (or they're not keepers) Yeah, there’s definitely a percentage of Gibson owners that suffer from Harley Davidson syndrome, meaning they will be loyal no matter what, because of the name.
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Post by chucksmi on Mar 1, 2024 13:45:14 GMT -5
I'll miss them. The Studio has always been my favorite Lester. I prefer the thinner body of the Studio over the full 2" Standards and Customs. I also prefer the unbound necks, likely due to starting my playing career with Fenders.
My Pelham Blue Studio has been my #1 for a long time now.
Don't worry, the Studio will be back in a couple years.
Chuck
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